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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening

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bespoke radio

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for

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today's wednesday october 20th 2021

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292 days into the new year

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we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of nowhere a

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total undisclosed location

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that's right but it is beautiful

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let's see if the lights start flashing

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tonight

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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for kjcr the game changer network and an

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31st get ready for that

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody racehops what is

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great day productive day things getting

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jacques vale is here we're going to be

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talking well we're going to talk about a

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lot of stuff tonight we're going to be

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talking about his book that he

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co-authored with uh paula harris it's

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called trinity

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we when the book launched uh we had

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and uh paul on the show uh discussing it

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we're gonna we're gonna do that tonight

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but it may not be what you think

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there there are things around trinity

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and the research going into that so just

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say i hope he's listening right now

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ago and uh talking about this and that

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linda moulton howe

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about uh nuclear weapons and ufos and we

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how and everything else

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is we just take off man we just go into

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a direction and see where that

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that of course again tomorrow night now

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myself and jacques valet

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will both be at the star works usa ufos

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all the above and beyond conference and

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it's happening next month it's going

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november 12th through the 14th in

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there paul heineck is going to be there

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paul heineck uh shoots me an image

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of uh paul uh i apologize i'm not giving

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all right i'm not doing that

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but i'm just gonna say this he sends me

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of a whiteboard

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technically a green board

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a whiteboard i think is green lighting

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with all of the chapters and sub

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chapters and topics of his new book

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you know what i did you know i got to

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blowing it up and i'm i was like oh

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i'm just so impressed with people that

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and with me i don't i don't know if i

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that's how it's done right you just you

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obviously not so anyway paul heineck is

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going to be there november 12th through

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the 14th grant cameron is phoning in

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from canada because of covid colin

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andrews jaime massan

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and ten other amazing speakers now

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tickets and info everything is available

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over at starworksusa.com your hotel

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accommodations um everything is so

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reasonably priced the aquarius

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is a great hotel it's big too it's

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really nice two towers

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and uh but reasonably priced

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so go and check it out get your rooms

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booked get going and come and hang out

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with this november 12th through the 14th

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right there in laughlin nevada you can

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very simple

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i'm sorry i got uh distracted

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with twitter hashtag f2b on twitter is

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the sandbox you can see what's

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i don't understand

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i don't get it normally i understand i

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i don't understand that one the gray

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breaking news

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facebook okay all right

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facebook

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is getting ready to rebrand itself

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and they're starting with

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their new name will be based on

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the metaverse is combining virtual and

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facebook will announce the new name next

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so there you go facebook next week's

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gonna have a new name they don't know uh

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you have to remember you have uh what

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um and facebook is the owner of that but

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facebook is a platform so facebook's

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gonna get renamed and there just may be

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yeah yeah all of this is going down next

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about the new name you know what i'm

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gonna do that tomorrow night on the show

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i wasn't gonna i was i didn't

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i'm you know what

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i'm gonna i'm gonna announce the new

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name tomorrow night on the show and

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we'll see if my sources

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big news today scott walter

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the vikings used their long ships to

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and settled in canada as early as

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a very specific date and all of this is

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according to a new study provided

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the first exact date of europeans

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the study examined wooden artifacts from

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a previously undated viking settlement

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in newfoundland

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which provide the earliest known record

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of humans crossing the atlantic to reach

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the americas the site known as

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is located in newfoundland's northern

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peninsula researchers landed on the very

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specific and definitive date from

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chopped wood

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in a solar storm

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and that solar storm happened in 993

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a.d now listen

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you're wondering how they pulled this

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off the signal from the solar storm

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was 29 growth rings in from the bark

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which says that the cutting

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down on the trees which were done with

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metal objects which

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any indigenous culture here in the

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united states didn't have any metallurgy

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back then but

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so 29 years in from the bark

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the solar storm was a 993 a.d that that

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research is solid right you can measure

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that just about anywhere

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so that says that the cutting took place

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in the year

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1021 a.d the vikings were here

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500 years

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before columbus

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scott walters been saying this for a

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very long time

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pretty interesting

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all right well

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it's jurassic park

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but for real

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scientists have found the oldest aquatic

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animal preserved in amber

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wait a minute aquatic

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amber

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right

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and it's the most complete

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crab

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fossil

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ever discovered

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the 100 million year old creature

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resembles crabs that we see today

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running around on the beach yep

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absolutely computerized scans revealed

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delicate body parts like antenna

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gills and fine hairs on the mouthparts

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the creature was only five millimeters

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long

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and likely

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a baby crab

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a cute little

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baby crab

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the chinese us and canadian scientists

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working on the amber specimen which

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originated from northern myanmar

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named the tiny crab

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cratapsura

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ethanada

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athenada

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where did they get these names obviously

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cretaceous right so you kind of you kind

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of can get athena i i don't know is that

341
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antenna i don't know i don't know but

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that's the new name

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myanmar

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so uh uh you know jurassic park

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you can go

346
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um and shop for amber and and and

347
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fossils and things lots of insects lots

348
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of mosquitoes lots of bees lots of

349
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things in

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in amber you can bite all over the place

351
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but i

352
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found out today that all of that comes

353
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from thank you kaz

354
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kaz is quick man

355
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kaz is fast look at that

356
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but all of the uh

357
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all of the amber mining

358
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that happens including where this amber

359
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specimen came from comes from myanmar

360
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i didn't i i did not know that i thought

361
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you know amber was kind of like

362
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everywhere but apparently not

363
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:43,280
well it happened earlier today

364
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mount osso the largest volcano in japan

365
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erupted earlier today you can check out

366
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the videos online it's absolutely

367
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incredible the smoke rose as high and is

368
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rising as high as 11

369
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480 feet above the crater with lava and

370
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rock pouring out along the western slope

371
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of the mountain there has been a lot of

372
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activity throughout japan lots of

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volcanoes there of course

374
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and as of now no injuries have been

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reported considering the size of this

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eruption

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and nobody injured and no structures uh

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have been

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threatened yet but there you go

380
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mount also earlier today let's get this

381
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show cracking happy birthday to today

382
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john krasinski

383
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yeah he's 42.

384
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jack ryan

385
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the office

386
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i i don't know has has he done anything

387
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:43,600
else

388
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,760
besides jack ryan in the office and i

389
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,440
barely i never watched the office so i

390
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,200
didn't know john from that

391
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,120
uh jack ryan's pretty good season one

392
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,120
and season two were pretty good but um

393
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,360
that's all i knew him from and he's

394
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,360
married to uh

395
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i can't even remember her name viggo

396
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:03,600
mortensen today is 63. played strider

397
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:06,240
aragorn in the lord of the rings

398
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:09,120
cinderella's stick man drummer fred

399
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:10,240
curry

400
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:13,760
today is 55 years old and also

401
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:14,840
snoop

402
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,159
dogg is 50.

403
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,240
are you buying that

404
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:22,320
he's

405
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:24,960
dude looks 75 our dead guy's birthday

406
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:33,190
died at the age of 66. tom of course was

407
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,640
the lead singer and guitarist of tom

408
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:36,400
petty in the heartbreakers

409
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,159
which formed all the way back in 1976.

410
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:41,919
he's also a member of the super group

411
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,320
the traveling willberries

412
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:46,400
his hits include

413
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:47,360
and

414
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,600
this isn't all of them this is just like

415
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:51,280
off the top of my head

416
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,919
don't do me like that refugee

417
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,360
the waiting

418
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:57,120
don't come around here no more love that

419
00:22:02,710 --> 00:21:59,280
song learning to fly

420
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,720
i won't back down free falling

421
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:05,039
you don't know how it feels

422
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,320
he sold more than 80 million records

423
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,400
worldwide what about um

424
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,200
breakdown how did i forget i didn't have

425
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:15,200
breakdown on the list how does that

426
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,640
happen

427
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,720
80 million records worldwide making him

428
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,480
one of the best selling music artists of

429
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,840
all time

430
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:23,200
petty and the heartbreakers were

431
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:24,880
inducted into the rock and roll hall of

432
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:27,520
fame back in 2002

433
00:22:33,789 --> 00:22:29,840
and as we all know he died of an

434
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:33,799
accidental drug overdose on october 2nd

435
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:37,679
2017 one week after the end of the

436
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,520
heartbreakers 40th anniversary tour

437
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:43,840
happy birthday tom petty on this day in

438
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:45,919
history otd

439
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,400
1977

440
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:51,360
leonard skynyrd's tour plane crashes

441
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,559
killing ronnie vanzant steve gaines and

442
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,960
cassie gaines as well as the band's

443
00:23:02,710 --> 00:22:59,360
assistant road manager the plane's pilot

444
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,720
and co-pilot 20 other passengers

445
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:05,039
survived the crash

446
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:06,559
fader fact

447
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,190
toilet paper

448
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,350
how do you hang it

449
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,600
when you put the toilet paper on the

450
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,600
roll if you actually do it right the

451
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,559
wall hanger thing you put it in do you

452
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,559
put it

453
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:26,000
outside

454
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,159
or do you put it

455
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:30,320
inside facing the wall which one how

456
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:34,000
does it drape down for you

457
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:35,360
well

458
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:38,400
toilet paper orientation

459
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:41,440
was the most controversial issue

460
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:50,549
ask anne landers the advice column

461
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,840
with over 15 000 letters submitted on

462
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:55,200
the topic

463
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:04,070
this is a fact by the way

464
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,600
so how do you do it how do you do it

465
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:08,000
have you thought about it

466
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,480
uh i go outside i go outside it drapes

467
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,159
on the outside

468
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,240
not on the wall side no it doesn't drape

469
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,279
against the wall i go the opposite

470
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:21,440
and it drapes on the outside

471
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,080
so there you go let twitter decide this

472
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,159
i'm not making this up

473
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,600
i mean

474
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,360
could you imagine if that was a fader

475
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,440
fact about fade to black

476
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,000
right the most controversial subject on

477
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:37,919
fader night

478
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,360
in the 31 year history of fade to black

479
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:44,000
was toilet paper orientation it would

480
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,360
probably be breakfast cereals

481
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,200
but it could be toilet paper tonight

482
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,520
very special guest jacques valet is here

483
00:25:03,029 --> 00:24:53,760
i need to hit this river moon coffee

484
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:04,710
that's a good batch right there

485
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,070
uh

486
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:15,029
see already

487
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,320
the twitter controversy toilet paper

488
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:20,240
tomorrow night linda moulton howe is

489
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,120
back

490
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,520
there is no fader night this week i may

491
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:26,159
be taking some calls later on tonight so

492
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,080
uh just stay by uh stand by for that

493
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:31,600
uh river moon coffee

494
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:40,470
and i love coffee

495
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:44,000
especially that coffee i just got uh oh

496
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,799
so

497
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,720
do you guys have trader joe's man i got

498
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:48,880
other stuff i want to talk about

499
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:52,559
but uh trader joe's man man man so i got

500
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:56,480
some organic creamer heavy cream sweet

501
00:26:03,510 --> 00:25:59,200
cream creamer oh

502
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,990
these

503
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:08,400
that's right is that in focus

504
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,679
are you jealous

505
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,720
you know

506
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,720
this box

507
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,120
is heavy

508
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,919
it's got a way it's got to be it's one

509
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:21,440
pound

510
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:22,840
one

511
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,159
pound and also it's

512
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:29,360
milk and dark chocolate toffee

513
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,320
chips it's gonna be good i got the book

514
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,720
uh strangers at the skinwalkers at the

515
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,039
pentagon finally arrived haven't read it

516
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,600
yet so that's sitting there too as well

517
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,400
um in the hot seat now um

518
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,120
two days ago no was it yesterday what's

519
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,400
today today's wednesday yesterday

520
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:51,279
i was on christina gomez's show

521
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:54,559
history's history with histories with

522
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,760
the mystery

523
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,000
history with the mysteries

524
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,320
what it's or maybe it's both

525
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,120
and we're we're doing uh crash

526
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:04,960
retrievals

527
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:08,000
and one of the things so you know i get

528
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,520
done with the show

529
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,279
and i know that jacques is coming on

530
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:13,200
tonight we've got linda coming on

531
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:14,799
tomorrow

532
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:17,600
and uh

533
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,679
and i started thinking about this why

534
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,600
why don't we

535
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:25,840
not hear

536
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,840
any more reports

537
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,080
about crash retrievals it's like they

538
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:32,000
stopped

539
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:33,760
you know we heard rumors about something

540
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,840
in brazil uh two years ago mage

541
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:39,679
and uh talked to linda about that and

542
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:43,200
that story heated up there's lots of uh

543
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,559
uh

544
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,240
things that happened some evidence some

545
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,559
letters some emails some things

546
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,159
but it just died on the vine there were

547
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:51,840
reports that the united states sent down

548
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:54,880
the seal team or whatever special forces

549
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,760
and and they did this retrieval didn't

550
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,760
hear anything more about it story just

551
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:01,279
disappeared

552
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:02,399
and

553
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:05,360
the last real report

554
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,600
of a crash retrieval

555
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:13,039
um

556
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,279
was in 2008 in needles california

557
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,880
and we talked about that yesterday on

558
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,039
the show and i thought to myself that

559
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,760
can't be it right

560
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:26,480
it's been over 13 years

561
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:28,840
since anything

562
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:31,840
stateside and and if we go back and we

563
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,480
were doing this uh with christina

564
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:36,720
yesterday you know keksburg

565
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:39,520
right needles california and there were

566
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,720
uh

567
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,200
there were a lot of reports about things

568
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,600
over the years and and and you can go

569
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:48,240
and you can you can find these

570
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:55,510
what's the difference

571
00:29:02,710 --> 00:28:59,760
what is going on or are they happening

572
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,720
but we just don't know about them

573
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,799
we've got uh eric davis in his

574
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:06,320
statements

575
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:07,279
uh

576
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,679
the the new budget that has got a very

577
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,080
direct reference to crash retrievals in

578
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,960
there and that they need to be reported

579
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,159
but

580
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,919
why don't we hear reports about this

581
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,919
anymore

582
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:23,679
why don't we

583
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,720
uh

584
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,559
we have jack valet on the show tonight

585
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,159
and his book

586
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:29,679
uh that he wrote with paula harris

587
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,480
trinity is about a crash retrieval in

588
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,279
new mexico at the trinity test site uh

589
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,200
that's why it's called trinity

590
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,039
and that happened

591
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:41,200
right and

592
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,799
reports cape uh gerardo

593
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you know of course roswell

594
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um

595
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,440
uh

596
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,919
just just all over but

597
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,520
not lately

598
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,840
and i just don't get it

599
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:57,440
but i think that there is something else

600
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:58,559
going on

601
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,080
and

602
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:02,080
not that there aren't

603
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:05,679
physical craft here crashing

604
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:08,799
uh landing not taking off

605
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:11,600
uh but definitely when i say retrieval

606
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,159
uh that are being scooped up by our

607
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:16,640
government that that's occurring it has

608
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:17,679
to it

609
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:18,480
it's

610
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,399
happening there are reports of it we had

611
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:24,480
rick doty talking about

612
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,600
uh his retrieval at a ranch back in 2008

613
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,919
too as well and that happened on monday

614
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:31,840
so we know that they are going on why

615
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,960
don't we hear about them

616
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,840
right why are there civilian reports of

617
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,320
this why aren't there sightings of it

618
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,720
occurring i find that all very

619
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:45,279
interesting and very compelling this is

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fade to black

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i am your host jimmy church tonight

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jacques valet is with us

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i am going to take a quick break

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and i will return

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with jacques vale on the game changer

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[Music]

731
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:08,960
all right welcome back fade to black i

732
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:11,040
am your host jimmy church

733
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,320
tonight shock ballet

734
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,200
tomorrow night linda moulton howe she is

735
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,280
back we'll be talking about nuclear

736
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:21,200
weapons and ufos

737
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:22,720
all of that going down tomorrow night

738
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:25,599
but right now it's about jock

739
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,400
and

740
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:29,119
he's joining us tonight to uh talk about

741
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,040
his book co-author with paula harris

742
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:32,960
it's called trinity we're going to be

743
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:36,079
doing that and uh we will also talk

744
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,599
about a little bit

745
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,079
about materials that are being tested

746
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,880
that were retrieved from the trinity

747
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,040
crash site

748
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,440
dr valet was a senior researcher at the

749
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,599
darpa funded augmentation research

750
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:52,079
center at sri at the very beginning of

751
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,680
the rv program initiated by dr hal put

752
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,480
off and russell targ back in 1971.

753
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,720
his experience spans the entire life of

754
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,320
the program and gives him a special

755
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:04,800
position as an observer and commentator

756
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,760
on the reality of remote viewing he also

757
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:09,200
has a long

758
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:13,280
interest in the ufo phenomenon has been

759
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:17,280
earning a very very vaulted reputation

760
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,560
of being one of the most rigorous

761
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,200
incredible researchers in the field he

762
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,680
was the model of course

763
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,400
for that french scientist figure guy

764
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,400
francois truffaut

765
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,960
in steven spielberg's classic film close

766
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encounters of the third kind and i would

767
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,960
like to welcome back to fade to black

768
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,440
the one and only jacques valet jacques

769
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,119
how you doing man

770
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,920
i'm doing good uh good evening jimmy and

771
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:43,760
it's uh always you know you know what's

772
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:44,640
funny

773
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:47,680
uh jacques uh when you and i talk on the

774
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,640
phone

775
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:51,119
and and you go hello jimmy and you say

776
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,560
it with with with with that voice

777
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:56,560
i i'm just i'm just like a little kid

778
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:56,890
man

779
00:38:03,349 --> 00:37:59,359
[Laughter]

780
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:03,359
i can't change my voice you know i mean

781
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,160
and i can't change my accent so

782
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,079
even though i spent one year in texas

783
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,880
but i guess it wasn't long enough no it

784
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,280
certainly was not and you know i'm 58

785
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,680
years old man and i i feel like a kid

786
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,480
it's uh it's great man i get all giddy

787
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,680
and uh

788
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,520
it you know it all started for me

789
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:24,000
shocked before we get started here

790
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,880
um

791
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:26,480
when i saw

792
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,000
a videotape of you being interviewed

793
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:32,400
um oh i'm trying to think of his name it

794
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,839
was like 1985 up in san francisco

795
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,839
and you did it for the college uh tv

796
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,440
station up there

797
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:42,240
um oh yeah jeffrey mishlov jeffrey

798
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,760
mishlov

799
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,800
oh yes

800
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,839
do you remember that interview

801
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,320
yes absolutely and uh

802
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:52,560
you know it's it's it's funny because

803
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,680
i've changed a little bit especially the

804
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,400
color of my hair but um

805
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:01,200
you know that was um and and of course

806
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,400
he's still doing great with

807
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,880
those interviews of people um

808
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:08,960
exploring

809
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,240
new uh new directions and new uh

810
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,280
new theories uh both in science and in

811
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,000
philosophies doing great now i'm

812
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:20,480
actually going to in a strange way i'm

813
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:24,000
gonna circle back uh to mishlove uh in a

814
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,520
little bit and there's a reason why i

815
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,880
want to do that

816
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:29,520
uh there you said some things

817
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:32,800
in in that show well you know what okay

818
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:34,880
uh what we're gonna circle back to that

819
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:37,760
uh what i want to talk about first

820
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,200
is you and i are going to be at uh

821
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,359
paula's conference at the star works usa

822
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:45,200
conference in laughlin in just three

823
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:46,640
short weeks

824
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,839
um what is your uh presentation uh going

825
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:52,640
to be on this year

826
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,119
so i i think um there are two

827
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,200
presentations that uh

828
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,480
i'm scheduled to make one will be on you

829
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:01,440
know

830
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:04,319
what is changing today in uh

831
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:07,920
in research about ufos i mean what has

832
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,040
changed with the new the new position of

833
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,880
the government you know

834
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,319
i mean the

835
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,359
the subject is no longer being

836
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,040
uh ridiculed

837
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,760
in fact it's being taken very very

838
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:23,520
seriously

839
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,319
by elements of the military and and

840
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,119
increasingly by scientists so i i want

841
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,880
to talk about that you know a lot of

842
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,960
things are changing and i think the

843
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:34,960
audience wants to

844
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:38,640
get up to date on on all of that and not

845
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:41,920
not all of it is visible you know in

846
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,880
newspapers and on tv and so on a lot of

847
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:46,800
things are changing

848
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:49,520
uh in the background and we should be

849
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:50,800
aware of that

850
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,760
it's not all positive because at the

851
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,359
same time

852
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:56,480
um

853
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,319
things are also becoming more classified

854
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:02,480
so the question that we're going to face

855
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:03,200
is

856
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:08,319
information going to be open and of

857
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,280
course

858
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:12,240
people talk about disclosure and

859
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,040
that term has never been defined but

860
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:17,359
there is a movement certainly now for

861
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,480
more openness and scientists getting

862
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,480
getting involved then the second thing

863
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,920
we're going to do

864
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,880
is a panel with with parallel of course

865
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,720
who

866
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,440
initiated that that investigation

867
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,040
into trinity

868
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,079
and trinity is going to change

869
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:37,680
everything about

870
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,480
how you study materials how you study

871
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,440
crashes and i hope we'll have you know a

872
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:45,359
little time to talk about the book the

873
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,560
book is doing

874
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,800
very well it's now in

875
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:50,160
of course in english it's been in

876
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:51,359
english for

877
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,800
over four months but it's now in french

878
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,160
italian

879
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,040
and spanish and we're working on the

880
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,440
portuguese and german editions

881
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,520
so it's

882
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,240
attracting you know a lot of attention

883
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,160
in this country you know everybody wants

884
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,920
to talk about the nimitz

885
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:10,960
which is

886
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,800
of course these are

887
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:17,119
you know this is a turning point

888
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,480
that uh one of the navy's

889
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,160
aircraft carriers

890
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:23,680
had the

891
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,040
the opportunity to uh to track

892
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,440
uh actual ufos and

893
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:31,440
you know publish the data or at least

894
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:32,400
most of

895
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,359
the the videos that everybody has seen

896
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,800
by now

897
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,119
but in in the rest of the world yes

898
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:43,359
people are aware of that and they think

899
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,720
it's great but

900
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,720
they are more aware probably of the

901
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,680
history of the of the phenomenon

902
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:51,200
you know everything that's happening in

903
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:52,880
washington now

904
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:55,359
has to do with data from the last five

905
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,560
years or so

906
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,200
mostly from the u.s navy

907
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,280
and it's fascinating because it's

908
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,960
technical data

909
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:05,440
but you know ufos were there before they

910
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:06,640
were

911
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:10,480
since at least 1945 in this country and

912
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,520
we know

913
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:13,839
um it was

914
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:16,560
you know the subject was alive

915
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,560
before uh and in europe and in asia and

916
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,800
elsewhere it's been alive

917
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,040
for centuries

918
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,200
so uh you know you have different

919
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,880
reactions in different parts of the

920
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,839
world

921
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:30,960
the

922
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,000
uh materials uh that were recovered uh

923
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,079
that you have now

924
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:40,800
uh from the trinity site

925
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:43,520
are those being tested

926
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,640
yes

927
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,520
now we have

928
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:49,599
there are two kinds of materials there

929
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,319
is

930
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:53,440
actually a device that was

931
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,240
extracted that was retrieved from inside

932
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:57,760
the craft

933
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:01,440
when it was uh ready to be to be shipped

934
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,480
out to

935
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,640
a secret location and

936
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:05,920
the

937
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:09,119
of

938
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:17,200
sneaked in inside he wanted

939
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,480
a proof

940
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:20,720
that this was real that the experience

941
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,680
he had

942
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:24,240
lived through was was

943
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,359
real and he wanted to get something and

944
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,800
he got that

945
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,200
that bracket that we have

946
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,680
which poses a lot of questions and we're

947
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,839
testing it in the lab

948
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,920
there are stories

949
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,040
about

950
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,400
other materials three different types of

951
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,599
of other materials that people have seen

952
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:47,760
in connection with that case

953
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,240
in august 1945

954
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:53,119
now august 1945

955
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,640
happens to be

956
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,960
the capitulation of japan

957
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,280
um you know after

958
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,920
the two atom bombs that were

959
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:04,319
had been developed within 20 miles of

960
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,520
the place

961
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,000
where trinity happened where the the

962
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,599
sighting of that

963
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:11,359
that craft happened

964
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:14,480
so we have a lot of information about it

965
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:15,680
however

966
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,119
you know i've been looking at

967
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:22,079
retrieved samples for a long time

968
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:25,040
i've worked with professor sturak who is

969
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:28,079
a professor of physics at stanford who

970
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,200
has done

971
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:31,040
analyses of

972
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,319
recovered materials before and i worked

973
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,400
with him

974
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,880
so there is a long history of uh as you

975
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,520
know of of things being recovered at the

976
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:43,200
site

977
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,960
until recently

978
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,440
there was much we could do with it other

979
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,400
than just you know chemical analysis

980
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:52,800
but we couldn't go much beyond that

981
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,599
now what's changed is that now we have

982
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:58,000
much better instruments

983
00:46:06,150 --> 00:45:59,680
to

984
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:06,160
about their composition and

985
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,960
how

986
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,800
you know whether they are common

987
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:10,800
materials or

988
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,119
other ways

989
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,200
so that's what we're doing and

990
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,680
of course it's really exciting we're

991
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:21,359
we're not going to keep that secret

992
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,800
we're going to

993
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,400
publish it where

994
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,160
one of our papers

995
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,319
which is really the first paper on the

996
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:29,520
subject

997
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,119
accepted in a scientific publication and

998
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:35,040
that took two years

999
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:37,359
uh but now it's accepted so we'll be

1000
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,560
able to to talk about it it's still a

1001
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,119
little bit premature but you know people

1002
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:45,440
will see the paper it's mostly

1003
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,560
about methodology because these are not

1004
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,200
you have to assume that these are not

1005
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,760
completely common materials so there are

1006
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,280
things you have to look at and you have

1007
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:58,160
to look at it in a particular way

1008
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:01,520
so uh that will be published

1009
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,480
uh again in the next next few months

1010
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:06,400
so we can talk about all of that well

1011
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:09,920
the the the part itself uh and we've you

1012
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,720
know you've published pictures of it

1013
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:14,480
um it is

1014
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:18,319
it's it's complete as opposed to

1015
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,839
uh the other uh materials that you have

1016
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:23,520
in your possession

1017
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,800
are are fragments or pieces of but this

1018
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,880
is a complete object

1019
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:31,280
um what is the testing

1020
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,640
leaning towards right now as far as

1021
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:37,359
uh the type of metal that it is made out

1022
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,559
of does it

1023
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,040
is it anything we can relate to that we

1024
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,520
have here on earth or is this something

1025
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,040
else

1026
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,839
yes it's it's a an alloy of aluminum

1027
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:49,680
it's a known alloy

1028
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,680
so it's not strange in that sense

1029
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:56,000
what is strange is what was it doing

1030
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:56,880
there

1031
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,319
you know i have a little argument with

1032
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,400
my my colleagues

1033
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:04,000
and i can i can tell you what the

1034
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,839
argument is about

1035
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:06,960
you know that

1036
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:11,839
the witness uh was mr jose padilla

1037
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,800
he was a child at the time

1038
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:17,200
that he was a very bright child and this

1039
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,800
was on a property of his family and so

1040
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:22,800
he was very familiar with the property

1041
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,520
and

1042
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:26,240
everything else he was on his territory

1043
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,680
um he went inside you know pretty gutsy

1044
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,359
and uh

1045
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:34,480
wrenched it out of the the wall of the

1046
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:41,109
my

1047
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,559
you know

1048
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:44,319
my first

1049
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:47,440
idea is that probably the army the army

1050
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:49,760
had been there for over a week

1051
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,640
cleaning everything cleaning the all the

1052
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,079
pieces that were

1053
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,240
around on the landscape

1054
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,200
saving that taking it away

1055
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,280
probably to

1056
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,800
white sands

1057
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:04,079
and

1058
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,880
the

1059
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,720
um

1060
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,359
the device could have been there just to

1061
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:11,920
to wrap a an electrical

1062
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,559
cable in the electrical cord so that

1063
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,640
they could work at night and

1064
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:19,040
with uh with you know with tools and

1065
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,559
with the light

1066
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,839
um

1067
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,599
this was in the middle of nowhere i mean

1068
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,040
this was in

1069
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:28,559
it crashed actually did a control

1070
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:31,839
controlled crash landing

1071
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:35,040
so that the object was not broken up it

1072
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,480
was it kept its integrity it was not the

1073
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,800
flying saucer it was

1074
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,160
an avocado

1075
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:44,640
you know the witnesses called it an

1076
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,400
avocado it was a large oval the size of

1077
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,440
of two trucks if you took two uh ford

1078
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:54,000
150s and you put them one on top of the

1079
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,720
other

1080
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:55,920
that would be

1081
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:58,480
approximately the volume and the weight

1082
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,680
by the way of of that thing the army

1083
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,839
said it was a weather balloon

1084
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,200
of course

1085
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,920
so it was a very strange weather balloon

1086
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:08,720
that

1087
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:10,839
probably weighed about five

1088
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,319
tons it was uh so we have a good

1089
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,079
description of the

1090
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:17,839
of the inside

1091
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,040
my you know my first theory is uh

1092
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:23,200
this is probably a

1093
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:24,079
human

1094
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,680
device you know that the army picked up

1095
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:29,760
the improvised uh

1096
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,480
a system to bring electricity inside

1097
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,559
then this would have been a good good

1098
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,640
way to wrap a cable

1099
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,119
you know around around that thing it was

1100
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,839
turning it was attached to

1101
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,760
a framework

1102
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,880
with a pin

1103
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:47,359
so it could turn around

1104
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,480
and

1105
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:49,920
you could you could have wrapped an

1106
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,160
electrical line around that

1107
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,760
of course there was no electricity on

1108
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:54,880
that ranch

1109
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,240
but yeah you know i used to drive a jeep

1110
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,800
uh a ship can generate electricity of

1111
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,319
course that's what

1112
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,559
what the u.s army was using in world war

1113
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:06,960
ii to bring electricity you know

1114
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,760
everywhere on the on the battlefield

1115
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:12,000
and they uh

1116
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,359
so they had

1117
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:16,160
a way to bring electrical tools or

1118
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,119
lights

1119
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,800
so they could work

1120
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:20,400
around the clock on

1121
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:23,599
on the inside of that ufo

1122
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:28,720
the uh the other part uh about this uh

1123
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:30,000
is

1124
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:31,280
your

1125
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,000
samples that uh you know i've seen

1126
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,119
pictures of uh and you have

1127
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,200
you have lots of them

1128
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:41,280
but do you have any

1129
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:42,480
thing

1130
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,359
uh

1131
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:45,520
when we're talking about these materials

1132
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,520
that is also as complete as this part

1133
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,800
from trinity or is everything no we do

1134
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,160
not

1135
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,440
and actually

1136
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,480
we don't need that for example if you

1137
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:01,599
know the case we're going to publish

1138
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,680
what we have is material actually metal

1139
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,160
that was ejected from

1140
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,880
an object that has never been identified

1141
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:11,839
we have

1142
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:12,880
several

1143
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,359
sightings of that object and we have

1144
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,760
independent witnesses

1145
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:18,960
it's

1146
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,079
obviously we started with the the best

1147
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,640
documented case we had

1148
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,880
the

1149
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:28,800
uh

1150
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,599
but all we need is to be able to test a

1151
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,839
part of that metal and now

1152
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,680
what has changed also is that we have

1153
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,440
very very good

1154
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,960
instruments to do

1155
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,040
not just

1156
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,359
the the chemical analysis

1157
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,599
but to look at the isotopes

1158
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,000
you could you can always fake you know

1159
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:49,680
chemical analysis

1160
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:52,720
uh you can you can of course melt

1161
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:55,520
metals and combine them and and claim

1162
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:58,480
that you found some strange alloy

1163
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,160
but you cannot fake the the isotopes

1164
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,559
so with the isotropes we can we can go

1165
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:06,319
to the detail and

1166
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,599
and authenticate actually what what kind

1167
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,000
of material it was

1168
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,200
there have been papers published

1169
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,760
for example by professor sturak of of

1170
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:18,960
stanford

1171
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,960
about tests of materials from argentina

1172
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,720
and brazil

1173
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,720
that

1174
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,440
were thought to be very strange

1175
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:31,839
but there was very very little material

1176
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,640
so

1177
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:33,839
uh on

1178
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,480
on the trip to argentina actually

1179
00:53:39,570 --> 00:53:38,800
i recovered

1180
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,580
enough

1181
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,960
[Music]

1182
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:43,119
enough material from that particular

1183
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,480
case a case in uba tuba in brazil

1184
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,599
um

1185
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,119
to be able to do

1186
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:51,599
uh you know all the tests we want to do

1187
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:52,480
so

1188
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:56,400
was saved in a

1189
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,359
uh in a museum in a ufo museum

1190
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,200
in in argentina

1191
00:54:06,030 --> 00:54:04,079
where two different

1192
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:06,040
witnesses

1193
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,280
[Music]

1194
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,839
brought well one witness and one

1195
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,480
investigator who was not a witness that

1196
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:15,200
came in later in recovery material

1197
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:18,000
donated it to that museum so now we have

1198
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,200
enough

1199
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:21,839
the first test had been done

1200
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,880
on the basis of very small

1201
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:27,200
samples that had uh

1202
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,400
had been saved by apro apro

1203
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,319
you know the uh

1204
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:34,800
one of the early ufo groups

1205
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,440
of uh jim and carol roranson

1206
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:39,520
in arizona

1207
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,480
and

1208
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,640
they had

1209
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,079
allowed

1210
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:45,920
stanford to borrow

1211
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,559
a little bit of that material but there

1212
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,920
really wasn't

1213
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,680
wasn't a lot of it

1214
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,359
so we're redoing

1215
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,200
the the tests

1216
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:57,040
now uh

1217
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,240
there

1218
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,920
we had

1219
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:01,200
this is where i want to talk about

1220
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:04,319
jeffrey mishlov for a second um

1221
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:05,599
the

1222
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:10,880
and landings

1223
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:13,280
were were frequent and some of the you

1224
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:17,440
know early on 1940s 1950s 1960s

1225
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:19,520
um the last

1226
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,160
besides what just happened in maege

1227
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,559
brazil but the last thing in the united

1228
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,559
states that has been documented and

1229
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,680
witnessed

1230
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,319
was that i that i know of was needles

1231
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:32,559
california in 2008

1232
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:35,680
and it seems that either the government

1233
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,480
is really good at at covering up and

1234
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,440
retrieving these objects before

1235
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:43,200
anybody knows about it

1236
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,559
or

1237
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,200
they're just not landing as frequently

1238
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,599
as they were before which brings me back

1239
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,359
to you jacques

1240
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:54,079
you have been talking about

1241
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:55,200
uh

1242
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:58,880
another aspect of what these objects are

1243
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:02,640
going back to the 1970s that it

1244
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:05,920
you know the ufo phenomenon or e.t

1245
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:09,839
uh contact may not be as physical

1246
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,520
as we would hope it would be right we we

1247
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,599
want it all to be uh physical craft

1248
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:18,400
right nuts and bolts and things and

1249
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:21,839
is that is that the case that you you've

1250
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,319
been right for 50 years

1251
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:27,359
but now today people are talking about

1252
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,880
the interdimensional aspect of this um

1253
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,200
and it is the subject that is being

1254
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,040
discussed today but it seems like it's

1255
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,440
almost 50 years too late you've been

1256
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,440
talking about this for a long time do

1257
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:41,280
you think that that's why

1258
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:44,559
the crashes in in modern times are less

1259
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,349
um

1260
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:51,040
i'm not sure

1261
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:54,319
if they are less frequent you know there

1262
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,040
is a pattern of waves that we've traced

1263
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:02,160
over at least 50 years and

1264
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:05,359
more likely you know more like 80 years

1265
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:06,640
and

1266
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,079
that that

1267
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:10,160
there are periods when the phenomenon is

1268
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:11,599
very quiet

1269
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,520
and then there are periods where it's

1270
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:16,319
very intense

1271
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,240
if if some of those intense waves happen

1272
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:22,640
in the middle of africa we are not going

1273
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:23,520
to

1274
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,760
hear about it for a while we may hear of

1275
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:27,119
a few

1276
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,839
are close to his to town or

1277
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:33,760
reported in the press

1278
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:36,400
but uh so i'm i'm not

1279
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,720
i'm not sure about the the exact pattern

1280
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:42,559
the

1281
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:43,839
uh

1282
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,920
the the landings of course with traces

1283
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:50,079
and especially those where we can

1284
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,440
recover

1285
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,839
materials

1286
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:55,520
are

1287
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:01,670
they

1288
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,400
are going to preserve the data you know

1289
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:10,960
there are many cases where

1290
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:13,359
i'm very frustrated and so are my my

1291
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,319
friends

1292
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,480
because oh yeah we we had it in the

1293
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:19,200
family you know we we kept it in a

1294
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:20,480
coffee can

1295
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,359
and then you know when we moved uh we

1296
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:25,440
don't know what we did with it you know

1297
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,160
and

1298
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,480
so it's

1299
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:31,040
fairly we have to be very lucky

1300
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:35,440
to find a family or witness

1301
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,720
who has preserved that the data going

1302
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:40,160
going back

1303
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,960
but

1304
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,440
that's you know that

1305
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:45,920
we're getting to

1306
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:49,200
draw up a pretty good pattern

1307
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:50,480
of

1308
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,640
in fact has been uh retrieved

1309
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:56,799
or has been witnessed

1310
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,760
uh

1311
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:00,400
now for a long time you know people have

1312
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:03,839
attacked me uh you know fairly or at

1313
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:05,599
least critiqued me

1314
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,559
um

1315
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:08,640
saying you know why don't you spend time

1316
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:09,440
on

1317
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,240
roswell

1318
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,960
i trust the people who've gone there

1319
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:21,119
certainly stanford friedman has

1320
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:22,720
published several good books about

1321
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,720
roswell as i i knew stanton and trusted

1322
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:28,000
his

1323
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,000
scientific method scientific sense

1324
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:34,799
the problem is as

1325
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,599
you know several scientists have told me

1326
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:39,760
you haven't given me anything i can take

1327
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,280
to my lab

1328
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:44,240
and so i'm willing to believe you i'm

1329
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,200
willing to consider the story i'm not

1330
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:49,680
against the idea that those things came

1331
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,559
from the sky or from another dimension

1332
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:54,480
that's fine that's exciting

1333
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,200
but you know i'm a scientist and

1334
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,119
i'm not going to be very useful if you

1335
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:01,839
don't give me something i can test

1336
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:03,200
and now

1337
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,559
we have

1338
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,319
a number of things that we've

1339
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:08,640
accumulated over the last

1340
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:11,760
actually over the last 40 years

1341
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:16,240
you know uba tuba was was way back

1342
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:17,520
we

1343
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,920
in many cases there are materials that

1344
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:25,599
we recognize

1345
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,480
that are you know ordinary elements

1346
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,359
and people okay so people say that you

1347
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:33,280
know it has to be very

1348
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:36,400
you know complex meta materials and if

1349
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,400
it comes from an advanced propulsion

1350
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,400
system well

1351
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,960
you know the most advanced cars we

1352
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:44,240
have now

1353
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,319
uh are the the toyota hydrogen cars

1354
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,319
and uh

1355
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,960
there was a demonstration in japan by

1356
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:55,200
the president of toyota

1357
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,920
with you know one of these cars running

1358
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,280
on the stage

1359
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:02,240
and he was explaining you know that this

1360
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,760
was the first

1361
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,040
you know

1362
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:06,960
publicly available

1363
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:10,400
uh hydrogen car you could buy

1364
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,760
and

1365
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:13,599
he made that

1366
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,000
that pitch and the car was running all

1367
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:17,920
the time with a glass

1368
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:19,839
under the tailpipe

1369
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,400
and after his presentation he went and

1370
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,119
picked up the glass which was then

1371
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:28,160
filled with water and drank it

1372
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,880
so

1373
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:31,200
you know the exhaust from that car

1374
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,200
hydrogen car works by combining oxygen

1375
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:37,760
with hydrogen creating a reaction

1376
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,480
which is actually very very efficient

1377
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,599
and

1378
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,520
you know running the car

1379
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:45,920
and the result is water pure water

1380
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:47,680
distilled water

1381
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:48,480
um

1382
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:49,599
so

1383
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:51,359
well it's not even distilled water it's

1384
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,319
just pure pure chemical water

1385
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,760
and

1386
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,280
sure you can drink it

1387
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:59,119
i think that's a you know we have to

1388
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,799
remember that because

1389
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:02,319
the

1390
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:05,599
it's not obvious

1391
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,760
that for a very advanced propulsion

1392
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,599
system in space

1393
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:11,680
or across dimensions

1394
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:14,240
that we need very very very esoteric

1395
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,599
materials

1396
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:17,520
now

1397
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:20,720
at trinity for people who want to get

1398
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:21,680
the book

1399
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:23,920
the full title is

1400
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:26,799
trinity the best kept secret

1401
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:29,440
well it is the best kept secret because

1402
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:30,240
the

1403
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:35,440
spoke about it anywhere

1404
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:38,559
and the witnesses never spoke about it

1405
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:41,280
until uh powell found them

1406
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:43,760
and paula found them through

1407
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,720
an

1408
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:46,319
interview that

1409
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:50,640
one of them gave in is socorro

1410
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:52,640
local paper

1411
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,000
and uh but that was you know for over 50

1412
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,640
years they never spoke

1413
01:03:01,589 --> 01:03:00,559
they never spoke because you have to go

1414
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,599
back to

1415
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:04,079
the days of the atom bomb you know those

1416
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:04,880
were

1417
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:07,359
the days when uh if you saw something

1418
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:08,880
unusual

1419
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,039
you would keep your mouth shut

1420
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,440
because it could be something secret it

1421
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:15,760
could be something that you know the

1422
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:17,760
enemy was looking for

1423
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:20,559
so uh there were very stern

1424
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,119
warnings you know of uh

1425
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:25,680
uh you know loose lips

1426
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:28,480
sink ships okay that was you remember

1427
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:31,280
that post i do i do yeah you're not

1428
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:33,839
supposed to talk about what you see

1429
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,400
if it's uh strange you know it could be

1430
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:38,319
related to the war

1431
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:41,520
so they they never spoke also they never

1432
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,799
spoke because

1433
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,400
you know after all they had

1434
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,559
you know admittedly uh

1435
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:48,720
taken something from inside an object

1436
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:51,920
that the army was very interested in

1437
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:54,960
they watched the recovery for a week

1438
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:57,680
okay so they were there this is not like

1439
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,480
roswell well nobody knew exactly and

1440
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:02,799
still today people argue there may have

1441
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:04,079
been two

1442
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:06,640
crashes two sites

1443
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:09,599
and there is they argue about where the

1444
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:12,799
the primary site may be and so on and

1445
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:14,480
things were

1446
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:15,680
allegedly

1447
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,319
seen and recovered later

1448
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,160
but nobody was there when the thing

1449
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,119
crashed in trinity they were there it

1450
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,520
crashed on their land they were there

1451
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:27,599
because they they had to

1452
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:29,839
fix the fences for the family they had

1453
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,559
to

1454
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:32,640
take care of the cattle they had they

1455
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:35,280
had binoculars to read them this

1456
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:37,280
you know the brand on the the cows i

1457
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:40,000
mean again this was a very large cattle

1458
01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:41,119
ranch

1459
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:43,599
and of course i mean why were they kids

1460
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:46,000
there well because they their grown-ups

1461
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:47,680
were at war

1462
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,240
they had not come back from

1463
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:52,880
the pacific the the case happened two

1464
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:55,760
days after the capitulation of japan

1465
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:58,079
the the war in europe had

1466
01:05:03,190 --> 01:04:59,440
had haunted

1467
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:03,200
but the army was of course spread out

1468
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:04,720
over

1469
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,599
part of africa and

1470
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:09,839
most of europe

1471
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:11,039
so

1472
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:13,280
these kids were very clever

1473
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:15,920
they saw this it was fascinating

1474
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:18,880
and they uh they kept their mouth

1475
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:19,839
shut

1476
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:24,559
now why isn't it in the blue book fives

1477
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:25,440
well

1478
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:26,559
um

1479
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:30,079
blue book didn't exist in 1945 in fact

1480
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:32,880
the us air force didn't exist in

1481
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,119
during world war ii i mean there were

1482
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:37,359
airplanes and pilots but they were

1483
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,480
attached to the army air force

1484
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:42,880
president truman signed the

1485
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,079
uh

1486
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,799
the creation of the u.s air force in

1487
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:48,720
1947.

1488
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,160
there were no flying saucers in 1945.

1489
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:54,160
well for one thing that object was not a

1490
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:55,440
disc it was

1491
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:57,440
you know an oval

1492
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:01,440
egg shaped avocado shaped object

1493
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,359
it was not a disc

1494
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:05,520
it was not a flying saucer

1495
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:07,760
you know fly the term flying saucer was

1496
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:10,480
invented by kenneth arnold very

1497
01:06:12,750 --> 01:06:11,839
appropriately

1498
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:12,760
in

1499
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:15,920
1947 two years later

1500
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:17,039
so

1501
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:20,559
we have to go back to that that time and

1502
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:23,520
you know uh paola of course is

1503
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:25,200
italian uh

1504
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:26,480
has uh

1505
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:29,440
uh sharp memories of of italy in the

1506
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:30,720
post-war

1507
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:33,280
period as i do in france

1508
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,240
uh

1509
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:36,400
you know i witnessed the the end of

1510
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:38,960
world war two i i saw higher your

1511
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:41,760
battles over the town where i was born

1512
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:44,799
and i was born in 1939

1513
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,680
and by the time of the end of the war i

1514
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:49,839
i knew what was going on

1515
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:51,599
and i also knew that if you see

1516
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:53,839
something you don't talk

1517
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:54,880
so

1518
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,079
even as a very very young child

1519
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,240
that was dropped into you know

1520
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:02,400
everybody's brain

1521
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:03,359
so

1522
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:04,480
um

1523
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:07,440
i can relate to what happened there and

1524
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:11,119
we have the luxury of having

1525
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:12,079
actually

1526
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:13,039
three

1527
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:15,680
witnesses two two of them are alive

1528
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:18,799
three have been interviewed uh by paula

1529
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:21,760
uh i've helped in the investigation in

1530
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,839
in the last four years and i helped

1531
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:26,160
re-interview them

1532
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:26,960
the

1533
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,079
recently

1534
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:34,400
was the niece

1535
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:35,920
of the

1536
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:42,240
uh who came in later came in a few years

1537
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,119
later

1538
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,680
to that part of new mexico

1539
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:47,280
and

1540
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,000
she saw at that point the

1541
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:52,559
the other materials that were recovered

1542
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:57,359
including strange fibers glowing fibers

1543
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:58,640
she saw that

1544
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:01,359
i mean they lost it later

1545
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:04,720
and of course things got misplaced and

1546
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:06,799
houses burned down and

1547
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:09,200
the landscape changed and

1548
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,160
so we don't have access to to those but

1549
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:14,240
we have good descriptions

1550
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:16,880
and you know who who else is talking

1551
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:18,000
about

1552
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:21,600
uh fiber that glows different colors

1553
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:25,910
had

1554
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,560
the materials from roswell

1555
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,560
so we have

1556
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:32,799
you know we have confirmation

1557
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:35,759
all over the place about what happened

1558
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:36,640
at

1559
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:38,960
trinity and of course one of the things

1560
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:39,920
it does

1561
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,000
is that it resets

1562
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:44,319
the entire history

1563
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:47,199
of the phenomenon in the united states

1564
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:50,799
because if if everything started in 1945

1565
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,040
wow now you have

1566
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:55,520
you have to reset a lot of things there

1567
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,199
are materials that you could argue

1568
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:00,960
would exist in

1569
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:08,470
you know like

1570
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,120
that that strange uh

1571
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:13,600
sheet of metal that

1572
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:16,560
you can you can bend and it goes back

1573
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,359
automatically to its original form

1574
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:21,279
well there are a number of labs working

1575
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:24,799
on it including patel memorial

1576
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:26,400
institute in

1577
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:29,839
in ohio that has been involved in

1578
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:32,239
quite a bit of us for research material

1579
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:36,480
research even in the very early days

1580
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,000
but 1945 well

1581
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:42,719
did we already have a memory metal

1582
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,440
in 1945

1583
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:47,600
that's not obvious

1584
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:50,719
or did the memory metal that we have now

1585
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,520
did that was that inspired

1586
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:55,760
by things that were retrieved

1587
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,040
you know in san antonio new mexico in

1588
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,400
1945 so the the history was just at the

1589
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:04,719
beginning of that i mean our book is a

1590
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:07,679
beginning it's pretty complete in terms

1591
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:09,280
of the recovery

1592
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,120
of the craft and

1593
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:13,199
who the witnesses were what they did you

1594
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,400
know day by day almost hour by hour

1595
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,960
we have a table of day by day what the

1596
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:20,960
weather was like but the temperature was

1597
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,239
like how many vehicles the army

1598
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,800
was bringing there what kind of crane

1599
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:28,800
you know and all of that we have the

1600
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:31,440
detail of that

1601
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:34,480
that we really don't have in any other

1602
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,040
case i know

1603
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:39,040
in the book we've drawn the parallel

1604
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,040
with two other cases

1605
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:43,920
where the object had the same shape

1606
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:46,880
socorro new mexico that you know

1607
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:48,000
happened

1608
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:51,199
10 miles north of that point

1609
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,400
10 miles north of uh

1610
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,239
of san antonio

1611
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:58,640
and of course i was

1612
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,840
uh assisting dr heineck when when he

1613
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,679
went to socorro

1614
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:05,280
and um

1615
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,800
you know there have been a number of

1616
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:09,280
analyses of that material

1617
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,320
the object that um

1618
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:14,080
you know that the

1619
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,800
local policeman from socorro

1620
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:19,040
the object he saw was

1621
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,080
oval

1622
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:22,239
it was shaped like you know you could

1623
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,840
say an avocado

1624
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,280
and then there is another case that i

1625
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,440
know very well because i've gone there

1626
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:29,840
and i've interviewed the main witness at

1627
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:33,280
valencia in 1965

1628
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,640
july 1st

1629
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,480
1965

1630
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:38,719
when an object landed now both of those

1631
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:41,360
were not crashes

1632
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:44,880
there were landings that left traces

1633
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:46,159
and uh

1634
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,080
you know i've

1635
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:51,120
gone back to the to the site at socorro

1636
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:52,880
and then i've gone several times to the

1637
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:55,920
site sighted violence so

1638
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,159
in all three cases

1639
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:00,640
they were aliens

1640
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:01,600
or

1641
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:04,080
certainly creatures that were looked

1642
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:05,360
humanoid

1643
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:08,080
but what were not uh

1644
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:09,280
you know

1645
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:12,719
humanoids of any any shape or form that

1646
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:14,960
had been seen before and they were

1647
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:16,080
breathing

1648
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,120
air

1649
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:19,440
they were not wearing masks they were

1650
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:20,719
not wearing

1651
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:22,960
you know special uh

1652
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:25,440
special equipment to breathe

1653
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,320
and we have a very good description from

1654
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:30,560
uh all those witnesses

1655
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:33,679
including uh mr padilla

1656
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:36,080
in new mexico right jacques still right

1657
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:36,800
there

1658
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,640
we're starting to

1659
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:40,800
build a pretty good picture

1660
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:42,880
of what those things look like and what

1661
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:45,280
they do i have to take a quick break

1662
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:48,080
let's get this in our guest jacques

1663
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:49,040
valet

1664
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:51,199
talking about trinity uh his new book

1665
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:54,159
that he wrote uh co-authored with paula

1666
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:55,280
harris

1667
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:57,120
and we've got a lot more to talk about

1668
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:58,800
too as well we will continue the

1669
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,640
conversation after this short break

1670
01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:02,560
harmonious jimmy church this is fade to

1671
01:13:18,170 --> 01:13:04,390
black stay with us

1672
01:13:20,700 --> 01:13:18,180
[Music]

1673
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:20,710
[Applause]

1674
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:26,880
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1675
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:29,040
this is fade to black with jimmy church

1676
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:32,370
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1677
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,239
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1678
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:36,159
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1696
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1697
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1698
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:35,440
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1699
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1700
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:45,679
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1701
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:47,840
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1702
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:50,000
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1703
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:51,840
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1704
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1706
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1707
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,960
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1708
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,360
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1709
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1710
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:07,600
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1711
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:09,600
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1712
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1713
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:14,320
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1714
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1715
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1716
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linda moulton howe what a great

1770
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:20,880
conversation with jacques

1771
01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:22,800
and uh

1772
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,280
i i actually want to uh uh ask you this

1773
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:29,440
jacques while i've got you here

1774
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:31,920
in the recent uh

1775
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:33,360
intelligent

1776
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:35,440
uh budget

1777
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:39,760
intelligence budget for 2022

1778
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:42,640
there's a a big provision there for a

1779
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,199
new version of the uaptf

1780
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:47,040
that's not what's important uh they're

1781
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:48,239
going to rename it and they're going to

1782
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:49,679
do their thing and we'll see what

1783
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,560
happens but in there uh there are four

1784
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:55,120
or five or six provisions

1785
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:58,719
and one of them specifically jacques

1786
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:01,679
is about crash retrievals and and

1787
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:02,960
dealing with

1788
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:07,679
materials uh from a crashed uh uap

1789
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:11,679
and that these materials and the crashes

1790
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:14,000
must be reported

1791
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:16,400
now this never this has never

1792
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:18,960
been like this before as we know in the

1793
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:22,880
in the and the public has always been uh

1794
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:25,280
kept in the dark on this

1795
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:28,320
do you expect something to actually come

1796
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:30,000
from this where

1797
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:35,280
a uap or ufo crashes debris is recovered

1798
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:36,800
and then this is

1799
01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:39,760
then followed up on and reported before

1800
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:42,640
even in inside of the government nobody

1801
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:44,000
knows where these

1802
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:46,480
crafts are taken and nobody knows they

1803
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:48,880
just disappear

1804
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,040
what do you make of that

1805
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:53,600
well there is a big difference uh i

1806
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,840
think any scientists would say

1807
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,080
between recovering

1808
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:04,390
that you can analyze and so on or

1809
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:07,679
recovering a craft

1810
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:08,719
you know the

1811
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:11,280
the the object that we know was

1812
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:12,639
recovered

1813
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:15,040
by the army

1814
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:16,560
in

1815
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:22,639
was an entire craft it had

1816
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:25,360
it it came in

1817
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:26,800
from the east

1818
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:28,880
it hit a tower

1819
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:31,040
that was a communication tower

1820
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:34,480
controlling communication with aircraft

1821
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:37,280
for the north zone of

1822
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:39,360
white sands

1823
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:40,800
technically the

1824
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:43,360
the ranch where it landed

1825
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:46,880
was part of the extended it was outside

1826
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:49,920
the fence of white sands of the base

1827
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:53,280
but it was technically

1828
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,400
still part of the controlled territory

1829
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:58,320
and controlled airspace

1830
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:01,679
so it hits that tower and then it goes

1831
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:02,560
down

1832
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:08,480
the the hill

1833
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:10,639
which means it was still under power

1834
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:14,480
it's not broken there is one panel

1835
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,120
that has been ejected from the object

1836
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,760
and later the kids are going to see

1837
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:21,920
those three creatures

1838
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:24,000
through that panel when they of course

1839
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:26,080
they rush down to help

1840
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:28,719
there is no concept of ufos or flying

1841
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,520
saucers or anything but they know that

1842
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:33,760
this is wall time and when something

1843
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:36,800
crashes it's probably the military and

1844
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:39,360
you you're supposed to go there and help

1845
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:42,320
or if you can't help you you go to the

1846
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:44,800
next town and you get some help you know

1847
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:46,880
to rush back to the scene

1848
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:48,880
they see these creatures the creatures

1849
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:51,920
are extraordinary

1850
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:54,080
they

1851
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:00,080
sort of frozen to the spot

1852
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:02,480
we have a very good description

1853
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,639
by both of them

1854
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:07,360
of of what the creatures looked like

1855
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,560
and then they

1856
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:10,880
they decided to go home and report it

1857
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,199
and in fact their father and the state

1858
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:15,120
policemen are going to come

1859
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:17,199
not immediately the next day but the day

1860
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:20,239
after so 48 hours later

1861
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,040
to the site with the kids

1862
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:24,960
the kids are driving the truck by the

1863
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,239
way again you know these are

1864
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:30,719
seven years old and nine-year-old well a

1865
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:33,199
nine-year-old can drive a truck

1866
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:35,040
especially in new mexico you know when

1867
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:36,239
there isn't

1868
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:40,159
and uh

1869
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:41,840
but most of the time of course they use

1870
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,639
horses because the horses are going to

1871
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:45,840
make the trip

1872
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:47,679
faster than the truck

1873
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:48,480
and

1874
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:49,280
they

1875
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:51,120
you know the two adults

1876
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:53,280
the father and the

1877
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,440
new mexico

1878
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:57,920
policeman mexico officer

1879
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:01,120
go inside the object by then there is no

1880
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,800
trace of the

1881
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:04,320
of the occupants

1882
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:06,400
you know we should tell people if they

1883
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:08,719
want to talk more about this they should

1884
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:09,920
come to

1885
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:10,719
uh

1886
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,000
laughlin

1887
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:14,480
you know the aquarius resort

1888
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:17,360
uh at that conference organized

1889
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:19,280
by paola harris

1890
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:20,960
november 12

1891
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:22,719
to 14. so

1892
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,120
we'll be there for three days

1893
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:27,520
paul heineck will be there

1894
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:30,400
you will be there jimmy yes i will

1895
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:34,320
paul smith will be there from the

1896
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:36,719
remote viewing program and

1897
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:39,360
of course the the military side

1898
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:42,159
of the remote viewing program that dr

1899
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,760
putoff had

1900
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:45,679
instigated

1901
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,800
with with a team

1902
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:51,040
that i had the privilege of

1903
01:24:03,189 --> 01:23:59,510
there will be uh you know lynn dr lynn

1904
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:03,199
kidzai who will be there jamie morsan

1905
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:04,560
from mexico

1906
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:06,400
will be there and i look forward to

1907
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:07,760
speaking with him

1908
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:11,920
because he has some parts of that

1909
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:15,520
of that bracket that have been analyzed

1910
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:18,400
in mexico so we're we're eager to

1911
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,840
compare notes

1912
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:21,360
with him uh

1913
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:24,480
to find out if uh if this is after all a

1914
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:26,320
common object or

1915
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:28,080
if there are some

1916
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:30,320
some things that it just looks common

1917
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:31,040
and

1918
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:36,800
uh cynthia sulassen will be there

1919
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:39,679
uh karen gresham nicole of course paola

1920
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:42,080
harris and a number of other people

1921
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:45,120
grant cameron i think will be attending

1922
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:46,000
by

1923
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:48,719
uh through uh

1924
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:49,520
you know

1925
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:52,239
a link teleconference yeah there will be

1926
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,880
a number of other people there now um

1927
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:56,480
but uh

1928
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:57,520
uh

1929
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:58,560
do you

1930
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,719
the reason why i'm asking about

1931
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,960
this being in the budget when we're

1932
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:04,960
talking about crash retrievals and

1933
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:07,840
crashes like trinity or roswell or

1934
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:09,360
kecksburg

1935
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:16,709
there is no paper trail and now the

1936
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:18,800
government is saying

1937
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:21,520
uh we need a paper trail uh we need to

1938
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:24,960
know what's going on uh with uh the

1939
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:28,960
debris and and the crash itself

1940
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:29,760
do you

1941
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:32,000
you know they're they're welcome to to

1942
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:34,400
join the research i mean that's what

1943
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:37,040
we've been doing the last 30 years uh

1944
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:40,800
we've published a lot of it you know in

1945
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:43,120
more or less

1946
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,960
you know research

1947
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:47,520
magazines and so on but now we're about

1948
01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:50,880
to publish the first paper in a

1949
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:53,840
one of the top aerospace

1950
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,000
reviews in the world

1951
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:58,639
after a very intense

1952
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:01,840
review and critique by a panel of

1953
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:03,520
scientists

1954
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:06,320
so we the paper has been accepted

1955
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:07,600
reviewed

1956
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:08,639
and

1957
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:09,679
you know

1958
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:11,920
expanded

1959
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,960
so you know i mean yes the government

1960
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,400
should do this

1961
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:18,000
we have shared

1962
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:21,040
our material with people in france

1963
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:23,440
they've helped us uh they've helped

1964
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:24,960
professor sturak

1965
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:28,320
you know analyze the uba tuba cases

1966
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:30,719
uh you know we will share and that's

1967
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,800
that's what you do in science you don't

1968
01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:34,960
you don't hide it in the basement i mean

1969
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,199
you may you may go to the basement where

1970
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:39,520
your machine is to you know to do the

1971
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:41,760
first test because you're curious

1972
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,920
and but then you you want your

1973
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,679
colleagues to check

1974
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:47,440
what you've done i hope

1975
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,440
i hope that that whole thing isn't going

1976
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:51,040
to be classified

1977
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:51,760
now

1978
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:56,719
because i remember the days of the

1979
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:58,800
content committee the you know the

1980
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:01,199
cornell report from the

1981
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:04,239
university of colorado said there is no

1982
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:06,639
such thing well maybe you know good

1983
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:09,280
people see things in the sky but it's

1984
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:10,880
probably nothing it's probably

1985
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:13,920
explainable the new york times published

1986
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:16,320
an article saying well you know the air

1987
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:19,199
force has looked at this

1988
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:21,040
and they say there's nothing there's

1989
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:22,480
probably nothing

1990
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,800
the academy of sciences said there's

1991
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:27,120
nothing to this ufo thing and the

1992
01:27:32,950 --> 01:27:29,040
subject was dead

1993
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:32,960
dead you know for 15 years um

1994
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,719
that was

1995
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:36,880
so now the the new york times is saying

1996
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:39,199
hey you know they're they're

1997
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:41,280
look at these uh images you know those

1998
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:44,800
are ufos and the academic senses

1999
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:47,520
hasn't said anything yet but you have

2000
01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:49,199
the government saying

2001
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:50,320
giving

2002
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:52,159
you know credibility to this and

2003
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:55,199
removing the stigma so that's good i'm

2004
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:57,840
glad i lived long enough to see that

2005
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:59,679
at the time of the common report i

2006
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:01,040
resigned

2007
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:02,719
from

2008
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,840
northwestern university where i was you

2009
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,159
know in a research position i've just

2010
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:10,560
done my phd in ai

2011
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:14,400
in artificial intelligence in 1967

2012
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:17,440
i mean ai goes way back you know it was

2013
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:20,000
it was first developed for a number of

2014
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:23,040
applications back in the late 60s and

2015
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:27,199
70s now everybody is talking about ai

2016
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:29,199
and it covers a whole variety of

2017
01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:30,960
different things some of which are

2018
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:33,280
pretty ridiculous and some of which are

2019
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:36,400
changing everything in in industry and

2020
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:37,760
in life

2021
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:41,440
by the way uh dr paul heineck

2022
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,560
who is going to be at uh laughlin at the

2023
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:46,320
car at our conference

2024
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:48,560
is going to talk about artificial

2025
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:50,239
intelligence today

2026
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:52,960
so uh and with that occasion of course

2027
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:54,560
to

2028
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:56,719
survey the things that have happened in

2029
01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:59,520
new mexico together and it's really a

2030
01:29:02,709 --> 01:29:02,000
pleasure to be able to work with the son

2031
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:02,719
of

2032
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:05,199
so

2033
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:06,480
yes

2034
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:08,800
these should be shared you don't want

2035
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:11,840
just one lab especially not one

2036
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:14,400
you know dark lab somewhere and to look

2037
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:16,159
at this we should be

2038
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:18,159
turned over to science

2039
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:20,320
and that's what we're going to do

2040
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,840
that's what we started to do with uh

2041
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:25,920
you know our samples

2042
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:28,719
uh you know sharing it with laboratories

2043
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:29,600
that are

2044
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:31,120
equipped to

2045
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,320
verify

2046
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:34,800
what we find now you've been you've been

2047
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:37,600
at this for such a long time and you

2048
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:38,800
know

2049
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:41,280
the atmosphere in the civilian community

2050
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:43,920
and civilian research groups and

2051
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,920
civilian researchers

2052
01:29:50,830 --> 01:29:47,520
and also

2053
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:50,840
the government's attitude towards this

2054
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:52,960
subject and and you've been right in the

2055
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,920
middle and and and writing through this

2056
01:30:01,750 --> 01:29:57,360
but here we are

2057
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:01,760
in 2021 jock where it appears for the

2058
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:03,040
first time

2059
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:05,360
that our government is now

2060
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:08,159
uh and the pentagon and the military

2061
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:11,360
are our friends that they are talking

2062
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:14,000
about this out in the public

2063
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:17,840
is is that a is it okay for the ufo

2064
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:19,360
community to

2065
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:22,639
to embrace and trust the the military in

2066
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:24,239
the government's view

2067
01:30:27,430 --> 01:30:26,639
on et and contact

2068
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:27,440
or

2069
01:30:34,149 --> 01:30:33,120
this a good thing

2070
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:34,159
okay so

2071
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:37,840
we're going to see uh how it develops

2072
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:40,960
uh as i learned a long time ago

2073
01:30:47,350 --> 01:30:43,600
there is no such thing as a government

2074
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:47,360
uh there is even no such thing as

2075
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:49,840
you know the armed forces there are many

2076
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:53,120
agencies involved legitimately they have

2077
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:55,520
their own turf

2078
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:01,679
they have their own tools

2079
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:03,360
you know over the limits i mean the air

2080
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:05,360
force was flying

2081
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:07,920
over the pacific at the same time

2082
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:10,159
we haven't heard from them right we've

2083
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:12,480
heard from the navy pilots uh

2084
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:13,840
we haven't heard from the air force

2085
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:16,480
spiral so that there will be

2086
01:31:20,470 --> 01:31:19,600
no the government needs to organize

2087
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:20,480
its

2088
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:22,080
own structures

2089
01:31:25,350 --> 01:31:24,320
to deal with this if they now want to do

2090
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:25,360
it

2091
01:31:30,709 --> 01:31:28,000
you know uh on on the larger scale

2092
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:30,719
rather than one agency at a time you

2093
01:31:35,830 --> 01:31:33,360
know looking at at its own data with its

2094
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:35,840
own tools that's difficult to do in the

2095
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:37,679
government you know we have a

2096
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:39,920
complex government

2097
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:42,719
the intelligence community itself has

2098
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:45,120
you know last time i counted at least

2099
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:47,679
15 branches and and there are other

2100
01:31:51,990 --> 01:31:49,120
things that

2101
01:31:53,510 --> 01:31:52,000
you know are attached to that also that

2102
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:53,520
have their own

2103
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:55,920
you know their own need to know in their

2104
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:58,560
own territories so it's not going to be

2105
01:32:02,870 --> 01:31:59,840
that easy

2106
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:02,880
so what what has happened is we've gone

2107
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,280
two step forward the first step is the

2108
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:07,199
stigma has been removed

2109
01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:09,120
if you're if you're a scientist at a

2110
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:12,560
university you can now openly say

2111
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:15,120
that you are interested in ufos they

2112
01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:17,600
won't follow you you know you you they

2113
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:20,080
won't they'll promote you if you need to

2114
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:22,960
be promoted and so on but the stigma has

2115
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:29,590
what's the second step the other thing

2116
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:32,480
is that as you said they they are

2117
01:32:36,149 --> 01:32:34,880
putting some money behind new

2118
01:32:39,189 --> 01:32:36,159
studies

2119
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:39,199
which is what you know what i've always

2120
01:32:43,510 --> 01:32:41,840
hoped what would happen

2121
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:43,520
because we've done things on a small

2122
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:44,639
scale

2123
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:49,600
there hasn't been a large study since

2124
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:51,600
the air force closed down

2125
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:54,159
project blue book in 1969

2126
01:32:58,629 --> 01:32:56,000
and that project blue book has been

2127
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:58,639
maligned you know in the press and in

2128
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:00,239
the media and

2129
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:02,880
maybe you know for good reason but there

2130
01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:05,760
was a lot of information in project blue

2131
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:06,560
book

2132
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:08,880
that was valid information that we can't

2133
01:33:13,270 --> 01:33:10,400
forget

2134
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:13,280
so at the same time we've also taken one

2135
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:14,880
step back

2136
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:18,239
because look if this is real and it is a

2137
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:19,440
threat

2138
01:33:26,310 --> 01:33:21,440
it's going to be classified

2139
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:26,320
months from now you're not going to know

2140
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:28,239
what these guys are working on

2141
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:30,560
now i've had the privilege of working

2142
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,000
occasionally

2143
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:34,560
on you know classified i mean the the

2144
01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:37,600
bass project as you know i was involved

2145
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:40,000
in building the database for the project

2146
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:42,800
or at least designing the database uh

2147
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:43,600
and

2148
01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:46,880
following you know

2149
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:47,760
the

2150
01:33:54,790 --> 01:33:51,199
science ai

2151
01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:54,800
aspect of this for many years

2152
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:57,280
but you know it was

2153
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,400
and

2154
01:34:03,669 --> 01:34:00,159
may still be

2155
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:03,679
classified at least in part

2156
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:05,040
the

2157
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:09,920
physics papers published that are

2158
01:34:13,910 --> 01:34:12,639
brilliant you know published by that uh

2159
01:34:14,950 --> 01:34:13,920
project

2160
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:14,960
uh

2161
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:17,280
under underbass under

2162
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:21,040
mr bigelow's organization

2163
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:23,679
but this is the information about the

2164
01:34:28,790 --> 01:34:26,000
database which is actually a data

2165
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:28,800
warehouse composed of a number of

2166
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:31,040
articulated databases

2167
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:33,520
that's just coming out now and

2168
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:35,040
you know it's

2169
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:38,159
it's important information because it's

2170
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:39,840
probably the main

2171
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:40,960
product

2172
01:34:46,709 --> 01:34:43,760
uh the main deliverable from

2173
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:46,719
the from the project and nobody has

2174
01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:50,320
talked about it until until recently

2175
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:51,600
yes there are a lot of good things

2176
01:34:55,510 --> 01:34:54,000
happening uh we're at the beginning of

2177
01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:55,520
something

2178
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:57,679
uh

2179
01:35:01,350 --> 01:34:59,360
depending on what

2180
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:01,360
you know what turn of events

2181
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:03,040
we may or may not know

2182
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:05,199
what will be done with

2183
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:06,880
the next step

2184
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:10,080
how um i want to ask you about uh not

2185
01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:11,679
specifically

2186
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:14,800
but when you put a database like that

2187
01:35:19,070 --> 01:35:16,000
together

2188
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:19,080
how do you approach it is it a database

2189
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:21,679
cross-referencing information

2190
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:24,080
is it a linear time

2191
01:35:30,070 --> 01:35:26,880
line of of data

2192
01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:30,080
is it chemical analysis you know

2193
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:32,239
how do you construct a database and what

2194
01:35:36,149 --> 01:35:34,000
does it well it has to be all of that

2195
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:36,159
because and and

2196
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:39,040
you know the number of people who are

2197
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:41,119
you know who professionally working with

2198
01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:42,400
databases

2199
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:44,639
in industry and in the military and in

2200
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:45,920
research

2201
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:47,360
who

2202
01:35:51,990 --> 01:35:50,239
you know want to plunge into that and

2203
01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:52,000
put a big database together and that

2204
01:35:57,189 --> 01:35:53,760
will solve the problem

2205
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:57,199
if we were in at general motors or you

2206
01:36:01,750 --> 01:35:59,520
know that would be true because the

2207
01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:01,760
general motors you know everything you

2208
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:03,920
know the parts you know the dimension

2209
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:04,960
you know the weight you know the

2210
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:06,239
composition

2211
01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:08,080
and i would have to be a really bad

2212
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:11,280
programmer if you're my boss and i

2213
01:36:15,790 --> 01:36:13,199
couldn't give you an answer when you

2214
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:15,800
want to know about prop number you know

2215
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:17,360
200-2

2216
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:18,159
and

2217
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:20,320
i should be able to tell you you know

2218
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:22,800
how much it weighs and what it's made of

2219
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:25,520
not so much with ufos

2220
01:36:30,790 --> 01:36:28,000
because we don't really know i mean the

2221
01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:30,800
purpose of the database is discovery

2222
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:33,119
the only parallel you we we would have

2223
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:34,239
recently

2224
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:37,280
would be dna you know i mean we once we

2225
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:39,600
discover that there is such a thing

2226
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:42,960
as a chemical structure of dna

2227
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:43,760
now

2228
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:50,639
are a lot of things as as we've seen if

2229
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:52,880
you if you follow the medical uh

2230
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:55,760
literature that we never expected the

2231
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:58,159
database would have to do so you have to

2232
01:37:02,390 --> 01:36:59,040
re

2233
01:37:05,189 --> 01:37:02,400
and build

2234
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:05,199
side databases all the time so

2235
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:08,000
you cannot have one database

2236
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:08,719
so

2237
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:11,920
unfortunately we we know how to build a

2238
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:13,760
data warehouse

2239
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:15,600
or a data lake

2240
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:17,600
where you capture the data

2241
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:20,320
and that you let the data sort of

2242
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:23,440
organize itself i mean at first you have

2243
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:25,199
to organize it

2244
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,000
capturing as much of the reliable

2245
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:30,719
information as you can think of

2246
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:33,119
including probably some details that

2247
01:37:37,270 --> 01:37:35,440
maybe you know

2248
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:37,280
just side details it will never be

2249
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:40,320
useful but you have to keep them anyway

2250
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:42,320
because you don't you don't know what's

2251
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:44,719
useful and what's not if those things

2252
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:46,880
are interdimensional you know it's a

2253
01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:49,040
whole different ballgame it's not like

2254
01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:53,119
all the parts you know in a cardiac

2255
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:54,080
so

2256
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:54,960
you

2257
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:56,239
it's a different

2258
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:57,920
way of thinking

2259
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:58,719
and

2260
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:01,520
that's i would caution people

2261
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,560
rushing into that kind of thing so

2262
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:06,480
it's actually uh

2263
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:09,280
i can't i don't know to what extent i

2264
01:38:14,830 --> 01:38:12,400
can talk about it i i will let

2265
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:14,840
you know the people who took the project

2266
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:17,440
forward talk about it

2267
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:19,360
the

2268
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:22,000
my contribution was

2269
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:25,199
essentially designing a process

2270
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:27,760
and a series of structures

2271
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:31,280
by which you could expand so it would be

2272
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:34,800
expandable and the project had

2273
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:37,679
was going to go through three phases

2274
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:40,239
the first phase which has been done was

2275
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:42,800
to capture the data capture

2276
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:45,119
in different languages from different

2277
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:46,239
sources

2278
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:48,159
some of which had been published before

2279
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:49,119
so

2280
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:50,639
you know anybody could have done that

2281
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:51,360
from

2282
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:55,280
pilots for example

2283
01:38:59,750 --> 01:38:57,920
that the the french have developed

2284
01:39:02,629 --> 01:38:59,760
in connection with

2285
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:02,639
dr richard haynes from nasa so those

2286
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:05,679
databases are available

2287
01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:08,080
we had to restructure them

2288
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:09,760
so that there would be compatibility

2289
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:13,840
among all the databases in the data lake

2290
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:14,880
and

2291
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,679
so that's one of the contributions the

2292
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:19,440
other thing that people don't think

2293
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:20,880
about is that

2294
01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:23,760
you cannot recruit a cadre of people

2295
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:24,800
today

2296
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:26,800
to work on that program

2297
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:27,920
and

2298
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:31,760
expect them to be operational on day one

2299
01:39:34,790 --> 01:39:33,440
in fact that would be very very

2300
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:34,800
dangerous

2301
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:37,920
you know you could write a contract with

2302
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:40,960
companies that process databases i mean

2303
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:42,639
microsoft you know is pretty good at

2304
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:43,840
that

2305
01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:46,000
so you could write a contract with any

2306
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:48,159
of those companies the problem is that

2307
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:50,480
they don't know anything about ufos

2308
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:52,239
and

2309
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:54,320
you know one of the great things that

2310
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:56,159
the bass project did

2311
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:59,199
was to take the time to to take people

2312
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:00,639
investigators

2313
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:02,960
you know retired people from the police

2314
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:06,719
or the fbi and train them take the time

2315
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:09,840
to train them in what is specific

2316
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:13,280
about ufos you know ufos are not cars

2317
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:15,119
they disappear they appear out of

2318
01:40:18,390 --> 01:40:16,239
nowhere

2319
01:40:21,910 --> 01:40:18,400
they they have

2320
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:21,920
psychic you know aspects they have

2321
01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:23,920
physical aspects that we've never seen

2322
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:24,880
before

2323
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:27,520
in any in a vehicle

2324
01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:30,960
they leave traces that are complex

2325
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:31,840
and

2326
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:32,880
so

2327
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:36,400
all those things people have to learn

2328
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:39,199
if you take the best phd in physics from

2329
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:42,400
some great university i don't care you

2330
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:45,040
know what he's done before or what she's

2331
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:46,800
done before

2332
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:49,119
they will have to spend time

2333
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:53,040
reading the ufo literature including you

2334
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:54,960
know including the

2335
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:58,000
things from nikap and apro and and the

2336
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:00,800
reports from dr heineck and all of that

2337
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:03,040
and maybe i hope some of my books along

2338
01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:05,520
the way you know before they can be

2339
01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:07,280
useful

2340
01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:09,520
it's not the case that you're going to

2341
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:12,560
to hire you know a phd in chemistry

2342
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:16,000
and uh write a contract with with her

2343
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:18,719
and she'll be operational the first day

2344
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:20,960
she can be helpful that she'll have a

2345
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:23,040
lot to learn and that's what the bass

2346
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:24,880
project did so

2347
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:27,119
the the way i designed the project there

2348
01:41:30,149 --> 01:41:28,880
were two other levels

2349
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:30,159
that

2350
01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:32,560
we didn't have time to implement

2351
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:34,000
you know they

2352
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:38,159
so all they have is a naked data

2353
01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:40,159
and it's done in such a way that all the

2354
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:41,600
hooks are there

2355
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:44,000
for the higher levels but the higher

2356
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:47,280
level somebody is going to i know how i

2357
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:49,199
would have built them

2358
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:51,440
with the appropriate team

2359
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:53,840
and then the third level was the

2360
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:56,159
artificial intelligence because we're

2361
01:42:02,390 --> 01:41:59,119
going to need to go to ai

2362
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:02,400
to process that amount of data and that

2363
01:42:05,350 --> 01:42:04,239
detail of data

2364
01:42:07,109 --> 01:42:05,360
there

2365
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:07,119
i i think they've

2366
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:09,280
you know i'm not breaking any secret i

2367
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,560
think that's in

2368
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:13,119
in the book by dr keller

2369
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:14,800
are roughly you know you're talking

2370
01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:17,280
about 200 000 cases

2371
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:18,080
in

2372
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:20,320
english french russian

2373
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:22,480
portuguese spanish

2374
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:25,920
japanese you know you name it chinese

2375
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:27,119
and

2376
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:29,280
so the first effort was

2377
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:32,159
translation and standardization

2378
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,880
that the ufo community has never been

2379
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:36,000
able to do

2380
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,239
even though we we kept telling them you

2381
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:39,679
know

2382
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,960
try to

2383
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:42,960
standardize around a number of things

2384
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:45,840
where here we had a standard for all of

2385
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:46,960
the data

2386
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:49,040
but there's every case

2387
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:52,320
has a very very large amount of data

2388
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:54,480
think of a case like socorro you know

2389
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:56,639
how big that one case

2390
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:59,360
is going to be uh when it ends up in the

2391
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:01,280
computer

2392
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:02,880
it's going to be huge

2393
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:04,639
and i remember

2394
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:06,880
when uh you and i talked about it's a

2395
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:09,760
huge but it's a huge by the standards of

2396
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:11,840
what we do now you know with modern

2397
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:15,840
computers no but but 200 000 cases and

2398
01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:17,440
every

2399
01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:21,040
uh little detail on that case uh

2400
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:23,920
individually it amounts to a lot of data

2401
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:26,080
and the only way we have to design the

2402
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:28,719
database so that it can serve

2403
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:32,239
a community of anthropologists right of

2404
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:35,199
psychologists right child psychologists

2405
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:39,679
of physicists of doctors we i put a big

2406
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:42,320
emphasis on doctors you know medical

2407
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:45,040
data and biological data because i knew

2408
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:47,520
that that was probably the most

2409
01:43:51,189 --> 01:43:49,119
important direction

2410
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:51,199
to explore and in fact that has been

2411
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:52,719
developed

2412
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:55,920
beyond what what is just in the in the

2413
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:57,600
initial database

2414
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:58,960
and uh

2415
01:44:02,470 --> 01:44:00,880
but you know you have to anticipate

2416
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:02,480
communities

2417
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:03,520
of

2418
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,639
researchers who have different languages

2419
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:08,560
different ways of

2420
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:11,199
i mean different technical languages

2421
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:13,199
different ways of looking at the data

2422
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:15,679
and the way a physicist the physicist

2423
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:17,119
looks at a

2424
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,320
sample is not going to be the same way a

2425
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:22,960
biologist looks at a sample at the same

2426
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:24,159
sample

2427
01:44:28,189 --> 01:44:27,360
so you have to break through those walls

2428
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:28,199
of

2429
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:30,960
classification in science and that's

2430
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:33,040
what we try to anticipate in building

2431
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:35,600
the database because ultimately we don't

2432
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:38,320
know what is the right question

2433
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:41,280
i i always wanted to interview e.t on

2434
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:44,320
this show jacques i finally did it

2435
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:46,480
and

2436
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:48,800
but but but but let's hold on for a

2437
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:49,920
second

2438
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:53,520
um i remember uh about five years ago

2439
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:56,400
maybe six years ago uh when you're on on

2440
01:45:02,070 --> 01:44:58,239
the show with us here

2441
01:45:04,950 --> 01:45:02,080
and you said something on that show that

2442
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:04,960
people talk about to this day and and i

2443
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:06,880
didn't go back and follow up on the

2444
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:08,639
question uh

2445
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:09,679
you just

2446
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:12,080
said something and what you said was

2447
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:12,960
this

2448
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:13,840
uh

2449
01:45:24,149 --> 01:45:21,440
craft i know that we have and i never

2450
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:24,159
followed up on that but now i'm gonna

2451
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:26,320
follow up on something that you've said

2452
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:28,880
twice tonight i'm not gonna let this go

2453
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:31,600
you've brought up dna now

2454
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:34,320
and the medical aspects of this and the

2455
01:45:37,990 --> 01:45:36,560
biological aspects

2456
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:38,000
is there

2457
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:39,840
to your knowledge

2458
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:42,960
are we in possession of extraterrestrial

2459
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:45,280
dna

2460
01:46:04,550 --> 01:45:46,239
i

2461
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:04,560
you know

2462
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:05,920
the dna

2463
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:07,040
uh

2464
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:09,679
i don't i don't know the answer

2465
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:13,760
um i don't know the real answer

2466
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:16,000
the real question is

2467
01:46:27,590 --> 01:46:24,550
um

2468
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:27,600
i i i that's beyond

2469
01:46:30,629 --> 01:46:28,960
my

2470
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:30,639
uh

2471
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:32,400
what i'm

2472
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:35,040
what i can talk about

2473
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:36,480
you know you know i have to ask the

2474
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:38,159
question jack

2475
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:44,229
we know who they are on on the project

2476
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:45,520
uh

2477
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:49,040
they would know whether they can

2478
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:51,520
answer the question reliably

2479
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:54,960
over the years as as you know there

2480
01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:56,239
there has been

2481
01:47:01,030 --> 01:46:58,480
a lot of interest in

2482
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:01,040
you know following up on cases

2483
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:04,560
where there were claims uh that that dna

2484
01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:06,080
was available

2485
01:47:09,350 --> 01:47:07,280
um

2486
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:09,360
but in to

2487
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:11,440
what i can tell you is to my knowledge

2488
01:47:13,590 --> 01:47:12,560
in the

2489
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:13,600
uh

2490
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,639
san antonio in the in the trinity case

2491
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:18,880
that uh paola harris and i have studied

2492
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:21,040
extensively

2493
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:23,600
we did not have any uh biological

2494
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:24,880
material

2495
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:28,159
and would it surprise you uh that there

2496
01:47:31,590 --> 01:47:29,199
is

2497
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:31,600
uh you know you and i have heard the

2498
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:35,360
same stories right uh alien bodies uh

2499
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:36,960
center-right path

2500
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:39,040
alien bodies sent to

2501
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:40,480
you know and

2502
01:47:46,070 --> 01:47:43,600
and there must be if if some of these

2503
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:46,080
accounts are are true

2504
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:48,800
then there is dna out there would it

2505
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:51,119
surprise you if this

2506
01:47:54,070 --> 01:47:52,960
if this uh

2507
01:47:55,109 --> 01:47:54,080
dna

2508
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:55,119
uh

2509
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:58,239
evidence eventually surfaces and we are

2510
01:48:03,830 --> 01:48:01,119
able to study that dna

2511
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:03,840
uh that would not surprise me no

2512
01:48:08,229 --> 01:48:06,239
you know that people have looked at dna

2513
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:08,239
in meteorites i mean

2514
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:11,040
that's material that comes from space we

2515
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:15,990
the

2516
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:19,840
controversial from

2517
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:21,920
nasa biologists and

2518
01:48:27,030 --> 01:48:25,119
at one time uh you know i ran a a

2519
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:27,040
project uh

2520
01:48:30,830 --> 01:48:29,679
in actually in venture capital

2521
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:30,840
that was

2522
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,400
uh

2523
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:34,639
actually sponsored by nasa

2524
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:35,520
and

2525
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:37,840
we we met with the biologists at nasa i

2526
01:48:41,109 --> 01:48:38,560
mean

2527
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:42,310
you know

2528
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:44,000
they obviously hope

2529
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:45,440
that they will find

2530
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:47,280
dna or

2531
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:51,199
maybe in even indirect evidence of dna

2532
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:54,320
in a meteorite or in

2533
01:48:58,870 --> 01:48:56,080
material from the moon

2534
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:58,880
and or from mars which we're going to

2535
01:49:01,910 --> 01:49:01,119
have i mean we have the channel from the

2536
01:49:03,990 --> 01:49:01,920
moon

2537
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:04,000
uh it's very unlikely that there will be

2538
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:08,080
dna there but in meteorites um

2539
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:09,360
why not

2540
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:12,000
yeah i i totally agree with that

2541
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:15,199
and if there has been an impact in uh

2542
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:16,960
you know an asteroid or a planet

2543
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:20,800
somewhere that that had developed life

2544
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:23,920
like you know like even lichens or you

2545
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:26,560
know primitive plant life

2546
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:27,360
uh

2547
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:29,679
well you you would expect that some of

2548
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:32,159
the biological material would be

2549
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:34,239
would be something we could pick up

2550
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:36,080
that would not have been destroyed by

2551
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:37,199
the

2552
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:43,360
that's probably where we would find it

2553
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:44,239
first

2554
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:46,400
would it would it again would it

2555
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:50,080
surprise you if the analysis

2556
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:53,520
looks very similar to human dna why

2557
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:55,360
would it why would we expect it to be a

2558
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:00,870
you know what i mean because simple

2559
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:03,760
sugars and rna

2560
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:06,080
have been found on meteorites that have

2561
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:08,000
crashed on earth right and would

2562
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:11,199
certainly suggest uh panspermia to to

2563
01:50:16,229 --> 01:50:12,560
some degree

2564
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:16,239
but kevin i when i uh talk to uh

2565
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:19,360
dr colem keller or some of the other

2566
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:21,199
doctors uh

2567
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:25,119
you know on the project or at stanford

2568
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:27,360
i ask that question and i try to

2569
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:29,520
understand i try to understand the

2570
01:50:34,390 --> 01:50:32,639
answer i think the answer they are

2571
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:34,400
giving is that

2572
01:50:37,589 --> 01:50:36,320
you can argue that

2573
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:37,599
the

2574
01:50:42,629 --> 01:50:40,400
is a very very efficient process

2575
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:42,639
for building bodies

2576
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,119
uh you know building beings

2577
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:47,280
that you know walk around and think and

2578
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:48,480
do things

2579
01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:49,520
um

2580
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:51,840
that doesn't mean that

2581
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:54,000
that's the only way

2582
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,639
the universe or if you say you know

2583
01:50:59,669 --> 01:50:58,560
if you believe in god that god has

2584
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:59,679
designed

2585
01:51:04,149 --> 01:51:01,679
life okay

2586
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:04,159
all that life has evolved

2587
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:04,880
so

2588
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:07,360
the question is

2589
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:08,400
uh

2590
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:10,719
is that can we think of and there are

2591
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:13,199
labs of course that are experimenting i

2592
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:16,560
mean you know we've got dna with uh you

2593
01:51:21,669 --> 01:51:19,760
know the the four basic molecules you

2594
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:21,679
could add a fifth molecule and see what

2595
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,719
it does

2596
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:24,719
there are people doing that

2597
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:26,080
that's

2598
01:51:28,709 --> 01:51:27,679
dangerous because we don't want to

2599
01:51:31,589 --> 01:51:28,719
invent

2600
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:31,599
another form of life that we can't

2601
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:34,000
control

2602
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:34,800
but

2603
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:36,639
you can do experiments chemical

2604
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:38,000
experiments

2605
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:41,679
and see what would work or might work

2606
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:44,080
just so that if we ever

2607
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:46,960
encounter something like that

2608
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:49,840
when we send people to mouse for example

2609
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:52,320
that they we would be able to recognize

2610
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:54,560
it so i think that's the purpose of the

2611
01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:56,800
experiments that are being done today

2612
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:04,149
it's not the science i practice

2613
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:06,320
but i've i've worked with biologists on

2614
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:08,080
the computer side

2615
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:08,960
of

2616
01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:11,440
i i

2617
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:12,719
begin to

2618
01:52:16,149 --> 01:52:14,480
know how they think

2619
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:16,159
and they they certainly are thinking

2620
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:18,480
along the line of your question

2621
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,880
now the universe is big enough also to

2622
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:22,080
have created

2623
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:25,040
other ways of uh

2624
01:52:32,390 --> 01:52:28,400
you know of developing uh

2625
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:32,400
life and probably intelligence and

2626
01:52:35,350 --> 01:52:34,320
we have to allow for intelligence that

2627
01:52:37,669 --> 01:52:35,360
could be

2628
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:37,679
certainly smarter than we are i i hope

2629
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:39,040
it does

2630
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:39,760
so

2631
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:41,599
uh

2632
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:42,719
it may be

2633
01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:46,000
based on other forms of

2634
01:52:52,149 --> 01:52:50,000
uh chemistry or i mean the elements

2635
01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:52,159
would probably be

2636
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:54,480
similar you know and

2637
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:56,639
there there is something that

2638
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:58,719
i think we should clear up you see in

2639
01:53:02,709 --> 01:53:01,440
the ufo literature people say well we if

2640
01:53:06,790 --> 01:53:02,719
we found

2641
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:06,800
uh you know uh iron or aluminum

2642
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:10,080
that had different ratios of isotopes

2643
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:13,040
you know that well the the isotopes are

2644
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:15,760
going to vary across the universe but

2645
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:17,520
not by much

2646
01:53:21,430 --> 01:53:18,719
the so

2647
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:21,440
we wouldn't expect to

2648
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:24,239
to find something where the the ratios

2649
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:26,480
are a little bit different and say see

2650
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:28,400
that that's a proof

2651
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:30,239
that it comes from outer space it would

2652
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:32,080
not be a proof

2653
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:34,560
it would be interesting

2654
01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:38,159
but it would not be a final proof that

2655
01:53:41,669 --> 01:53:40,639
that the thing came from from outer

2656
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:41,679
space

2657
01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:42,400
now

2658
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:43,679
would uh

2659
01:53:46,709 --> 01:53:45,360
uh

2660
01:53:48,629 --> 01:53:46,719
the

2661
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:48,639
i guess i'm going to ask this in a in a

2662
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:50,400
more direct fashion

2663
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:52,320
you have always

2664
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:55,199
tried to present the case for

2665
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:57,520
an inter-dimensional

2666
01:54:04,550 --> 01:53:58,560
uh

2667
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:04,560
if if that is the case then there

2668
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:05,520
wouldn't

2669
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:07,199
be a dna

2670
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:09,760
how would you how would you extrapolate

2671
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:11,920
dna from a light being

2672
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:13,920
you know what i mean that where it's not

2673
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:16,719
truly biological and it's not actually

2674
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:18,000
physical

2675
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:20,320
um a lot like the way that steven

2676
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:23,280
spielberg portrayed e.t

2677
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:26,400
in the movie a.i at the end where it was

2678
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:30,800
a pure energy had shape you could see it

2679
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:31,520
but

2680
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:35,360
there wasn't a physical aspect to it

2681
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:37,760
well you know you could imagine an

2682
01:54:40,709 --> 01:54:39,599
intelligent plasma

2683
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:40,719
people have done that there are

2684
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:42,560
scientists who have written

2685
01:54:47,589 --> 01:54:45,920
uh science fiction books but based on

2686
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:47,599
real science

2687
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:49,440
um

2688
01:54:52,870 --> 01:54:50,800
you know you

2689
01:54:54,070 --> 01:54:52,880
you could you could certainly imagine

2690
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:54,080
that where

2691
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:56,400
we are going to design

2692
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:57,920
forms of

2693
01:55:01,030 --> 01:54:59,840
maybe not intelligence but certainly

2694
01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:01,040
advanced

2695
01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:02,080
thinking

2696
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:05,280
uh based on quantum computers

2697
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:06,159
and

2698
01:55:11,589 --> 01:55:08,000
other devices that

2699
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:11,599
derive from computer technology

2700
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:12,960
um

2701
01:55:22,149 --> 01:55:14,320
the

2702
01:55:27,589 --> 01:55:24,550
that would be based on forms of logic i

2703
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:27,599
mean dna is really a logical machine

2704
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:29,360
so

2705
01:55:36,470 --> 01:55:32,639
and it's extraordinarily efficient

2706
01:55:37,430 --> 01:55:36,480
because it knows how to avoid degrading

2707
01:55:39,350 --> 01:55:37,440
you know

2708
01:55:41,990 --> 01:55:39,360
being affected by

2709
01:55:43,109 --> 01:55:42,000
errors and things like that

2710
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:43,119
but

2711
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:44,560
it's

2712
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:49,040
recognizable as a

2713
01:55:53,030 --> 01:55:51,119
logical process

2714
01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:53,040
uh on top of a

2715
01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:55,679
a biological process or really a

2716
01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:58,080
biological process on top of a of a

2717
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:59,679
logical process

2718
01:56:01,830 --> 01:56:00,400
so

2719
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:01,840
uh

2720
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:03,840
yes i i think you're you're asking the

2721
01:56:08,229 --> 01:56:06,000
right question i mean no things

2722
01:56:11,109 --> 01:56:08,239
but that will come from science it's not

2723
01:56:13,270 --> 01:56:11,119
going to come from ufos you know the

2724
01:56:16,149 --> 01:56:13,280
idea people have been shocked when i

2725
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:16,159
mentioned uh dimensions

2726
01:56:22,709 --> 01:56:18,080
i mean i wrote that book dimensions i

2727
01:56:24,870 --> 01:56:22,719
think in 1980 so you know that's

2728
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:24,880
probably beyond the age of most of the

2729
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:26,480
people who are

2730
01:56:32,070 --> 01:56:29,360
listening to us now so it's a you know

2731
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:32,080
but that comes from science it it comes

2732
01:56:35,270 --> 01:56:33,440
from physics

2733
01:56:37,910 --> 01:56:35,280
you know physics says

2734
01:56:40,229 --> 01:56:37,920
there couldn't be just three dimensions

2735
01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:40,239
plus one dimension of time

2736
01:56:45,030 --> 01:56:42,960
which doesn't even make sense

2737
01:56:45,750 --> 01:56:45,040
because it only moves in one direction

2738
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:45,760
and

2739
01:56:49,669 --> 01:56:47,199
you know that

2740
01:56:52,390 --> 01:56:49,679
we know that doesn't make too much sense

2741
01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:52,400
so there is something we're missing and

2742
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:54,320
physicists have been

2743
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:56,639
looking at this and building uh

2744
01:57:01,510 --> 01:56:59,040
hypotheses about other

2745
01:57:05,030 --> 01:57:01,520
you know i remember dr heineck

2746
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:05,040
was teaching at northwestern

2747
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:06,560
to his students

2748
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:08,880
that there could be another universe

2749
01:57:14,310 --> 01:57:11,440
five minutes ahead of us

2750
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:14,320
that's completely acceptable in modern

2751
01:57:18,550 --> 01:57:16,719
science

2752
01:57:21,990 --> 01:57:18,560
you know i mean you could

2753
01:57:24,950 --> 01:57:22,000
it's it's one of the possibilities that

2754
01:57:26,950 --> 01:57:24,960
there's another universe in time and

2755
01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:26,960
there could be a tunnel

2756
01:57:30,629 --> 01:57:28,880
uh now

2757
01:57:33,510 --> 01:57:30,639
my friends who are better in physics

2758
01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:33,520
than i am say well you know you know

2759
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:36,000
slow down jack you know you you couldn't

2760
01:57:39,910 --> 01:57:37,280
get a

2761
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:39,920
a spaceship through that tunnel

2762
01:57:43,510 --> 01:57:42,239
well you know that's what they say today

2763
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:43,520
but

2764
01:57:47,030 --> 01:57:45,440
um

2765
01:57:49,030 --> 01:57:47,040
you know maybe they say something

2766
01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:49,040
different tomorrow

2767
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:50,080
if if

2768
01:57:55,510 --> 01:57:52,560
if which would make total sense and i

2769
01:57:56,629 --> 01:57:55,520
agree with dr heineck on that point

2770
01:57:59,510 --> 01:57:56,639
in that

2771
01:58:02,470 --> 01:57:59,520
uh five five seconds ahead five minutes

2772
01:58:03,589 --> 01:58:02,480
ahead five seconds behind and if that is

2773
01:58:06,629 --> 01:58:03,599
the case

2774
01:58:09,189 --> 01:58:06,639
we would not be not only in that time

2775
01:58:12,709 --> 01:58:09,199
scale but in that frequency

2776
01:58:14,470 --> 01:58:12,719
and so physically in any regard we

2777
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:14,480
wouldn't know about it we wouldn't see

2778
01:58:20,310 --> 01:58:17,440
it we wouldn't feel it we wouldn't smell

2779
01:58:23,030 --> 01:58:20,320
it but it's it's right there and it is

2780
01:58:25,750 --> 01:58:23,040
around us at the exact same time with

2781
01:58:27,189 --> 01:58:25,760
that would that solve some of the

2782
01:58:29,270 --> 01:58:27,199
questions of

2783
01:58:33,510 --> 01:58:29,280
these craft that just appear and

2784
01:58:36,149 --> 01:58:33,520
disappear uh randomly for no reason

2785
01:58:39,189 --> 01:58:36,159
well it would account better and for

2786
01:58:42,149 --> 01:58:39,199
years people you know including

2787
01:58:44,629 --> 01:58:42,159
ufo researchers civilian researchers

2788
01:58:47,510 --> 01:58:44,639
have thrown out the stories where the

2789
01:58:50,709 --> 01:58:47,520
witness said well you know i saw a light

2790
01:58:53,270 --> 01:58:50,719
and it was an unusual light and then

2791
01:58:55,350 --> 01:58:53,280
it uh there was sort of an explosion of

2792
01:58:57,510 --> 01:58:55,360
light and next thing you know there was

2793
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:57,520
a spacecraft in my backyard

2794
01:59:00,870 --> 01:58:59,440
and i can show you the halls you know

2795
01:59:04,629 --> 01:59:00,880
where it made

2796
01:59:05,669 --> 01:59:04,639
well uh that's not crazy at all

2797
01:59:09,430 --> 01:59:05,679
and

2798
01:59:11,830 --> 01:59:09,440
the place where it gets crazy is when

2799
01:59:14,229 --> 01:59:11,840
things happen inside

2800
01:59:15,510 --> 01:59:14,239
a house

2801
01:59:18,229 --> 01:59:15,520
and

2802
01:59:21,189 --> 01:59:18,239
they go from the inside to the outside

2803
01:59:22,149 --> 01:59:21,199
in ways we don't understand

2804
01:59:24,550 --> 01:59:22,159
and then

2805
01:59:26,470 --> 01:59:24,560
you know it's not just

2806
01:59:27,270 --> 01:59:26,480
of course if you can go partially

2807
01:59:29,669 --> 01:59:27,280
through

2808
01:59:33,030 --> 01:59:29,679
another dimension you could do that

2809
01:59:36,070 --> 01:59:33,040
but that's not the theories that

2810
01:59:37,750 --> 01:59:36,080
uh that you will find that even in the

2811
01:59:39,350 --> 01:59:37,760
reports to

2812
01:59:42,390 --> 01:59:39,360
uh

2813
01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:42,400
you know to the pentagon even in the in

2814
01:59:46,550 --> 01:59:44,400
the reports from the the

2815
01:59:46,810 --> 01:59:46,560
you know from the bass project

2816
01:59:48,070 --> 01:59:46,820
uh

2817
01:59:49,430 --> 01:59:48,080
[Music]

2818
01:59:50,950 --> 01:59:49,440
we

2819
01:59:53,109 --> 01:59:50,960
didn't quite

2820
01:59:55,669 --> 01:59:53,119
go that far although there were

2821
01:59:56,470 --> 01:59:55,679
observations at the ranch

2822
01:59:57,350 --> 01:59:56,480
uh

2823
01:59:58,629 --> 01:59:57,360
that

2824
02:00:00,149 --> 01:59:58,639
would

2825
02:00:01,350 --> 02:00:00,159
you know for many years before the

2826
02:00:03,189 --> 02:00:01,360
project

2827
02:00:05,430 --> 02:00:03,199
uh under the

2828
02:00:08,709 --> 02:00:05,440
you know the projects that

2829
02:00:10,870 --> 02:00:08,719
of mints and projects run by mr

2830
02:00:16,070 --> 02:00:10,880
bigelow's staff

2831
02:00:21,270 --> 02:00:19,430
i want to thank you uh for uh coming on

2832
02:00:24,149 --> 02:00:21,280
tonight and i know you've got a lot to

2833
02:00:26,470 --> 02:00:24,159
do we've got to prep and get ready for

2834
02:00:29,189 --> 02:00:26,480
for paula's big conference

2835
02:00:31,390 --> 02:00:29,199
and i wanted to ask you and

2836
02:00:34,149 --> 02:00:31,400
everybody it's very simple starworks

2837
02:00:36,550 --> 02:00:34,159
usa.com tickets and information

2838
02:00:39,669 --> 02:00:36,560
everything is right there aquarius uh

2839
02:00:42,790 --> 02:00:39,679
hotel and accommodations are all there

2840
02:00:44,790 --> 02:00:42,800
on the site um the links are up not only

2841
02:00:47,669 --> 02:00:44,800
at jimmychurchradio.com but throughout

2842
02:00:49,030 --> 02:00:47,679
social media but jacques one last

2843
02:00:52,070 --> 02:00:49,040
question

2844
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:52,080
because and i know that you're aware

2845
02:00:56,310 --> 02:00:55,199
of the respect that you have in the ufo

2846
02:00:59,189 --> 02:00:56,320
community

2847
02:01:01,510 --> 02:00:59,199
and people want to come up and ask you

2848
02:01:03,830 --> 02:01:01,520
questions like at this conference and

2849
02:01:05,189 --> 02:01:03,840
and you've always been very open

2850
02:01:08,709 --> 02:01:05,199
uh to them

2851
02:01:12,229 --> 02:01:08,719
but over the years because everybody put

2852
02:01:15,109 --> 02:01:12,239
so much weight on your words

2853
02:01:17,910 --> 02:01:15,119
are you are you cautious about

2854
02:01:20,390 --> 02:01:17,920
about your replies because for the most

2855
02:01:23,510 --> 02:01:20,400
part they get written in stone jacques

2856
02:01:25,350 --> 02:01:23,520
said it therefore

2857
02:01:27,750 --> 02:01:25,360
well

2858
02:01:30,709 --> 02:01:27,760
you can find people who are

2859
02:01:32,470 --> 02:01:30,719
have at least as much experience as i do

2860
02:01:35,030 --> 02:01:32,480
with the field who've said the opposite

2861
02:01:39,910 --> 02:01:35,040
of what i've said so uh you know people

2862
02:01:43,189 --> 02:01:39,920
have to uh balance uh balance all that

2863
02:01:45,990 --> 02:01:43,199
anything in in science or in research is

2864
02:01:47,750 --> 02:01:46,000
always open to questions i mean look at

2865
02:01:50,070 --> 02:01:47,760
relativity i mean

2866
02:01:52,790 --> 02:01:50,080
you know relativity is that

2867
02:01:55,109 --> 02:01:52,800
at a point where it needs to be updated

2868
02:01:57,830 --> 02:01:55,119
because it's in contradiction with what

2869
02:02:00,790 --> 02:01:57,840
we know now in quantum mechanics and so

2870
02:02:02,629 --> 02:02:00,800
on that would be revised and einstein

2871
02:02:06,709 --> 02:02:02,639
was the first one to

2872
02:02:08,550 --> 02:02:06,719
to look for you know you always question

2873
02:02:10,950 --> 02:02:08,560
your assumptions so i

2874
02:02:14,310 --> 02:02:10,960
i try to you know that

2875
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:14,320
i try to teach that especially when when

2876
02:02:17,830 --> 02:02:15,920
kids ask me

2877
02:02:19,669 --> 02:02:17,840
that kind of question and they they

2878
02:02:23,589 --> 02:02:19,679
think they are going to be going away

2879
02:02:24,950 --> 02:02:23,599
with you know a firm answer i i always

2880
02:02:27,510 --> 02:02:24,960
try to

2881
02:02:29,750 --> 02:02:27,520
explain that this is this is what we

2882
02:02:31,750 --> 02:02:29,760
think we know today but

2883
02:02:33,430 --> 02:02:31,760
you know there may be

2884
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:33,440
somebody who is going to prove the

2885
02:02:37,830 --> 02:02:35,920
opposite tomorrow and and we we don't

2886
02:02:40,390 --> 02:02:37,840
know where that's going to come from i

2887
02:02:43,669 --> 02:02:40,400
love the questions by the way because

2888
02:02:46,870 --> 02:02:43,679
that people teach me more than

2889
02:02:49,030 --> 02:02:46,880
you know that i can satisfy their

2890
02:02:51,910 --> 02:02:49,040
curiosity because they

2891
02:02:54,550 --> 02:02:51,920
you know they they've seen those things

2892
02:02:57,030 --> 02:02:54,560
i know you know what pleasure it is to

2893
02:03:00,149 --> 02:02:57,040
to be with mr padilla who

2894
02:03:03,350 --> 02:03:00,159
you know in uh in new mexico because he

2895
02:03:04,229 --> 02:03:03,360
was there and i wasn't and

2896
02:03:06,709 --> 02:03:04,239
i'm

2897
02:03:08,390 --> 02:03:06,719
you know it's my burden to

2898
02:03:10,070 --> 02:03:08,400
try to come up with

2899
02:03:12,149 --> 02:03:10,080
the right question

2900
02:03:13,030 --> 02:03:12,159
to to trigger his memory which by the

2901
02:03:16,629 --> 02:03:13,040
way is

2902
02:03:19,350 --> 02:03:16,639
is outstanding and i'm very jealous of

2903
02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:19,360
what his ability to remember

2904
02:03:24,470 --> 02:03:21,040
what what happened there

2905
02:03:27,430 --> 02:03:24,480
you know uh your reputation

2906
02:03:28,510 --> 02:03:27,440
uh amongst researchers

2907
02:03:30,149 --> 02:03:28,520
authors

2908
02:03:31,830 --> 02:03:30,159
contactees

2909
02:03:33,430 --> 02:03:31,840
experiencers

2910
02:03:35,910 --> 02:03:33,440
show hosts

2911
02:03:38,310 --> 02:03:35,920
uh your reputation is if if there's

2912
02:03:40,070 --> 02:03:38,320
somebody out there that's got the

2913
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:40,080
secrets

2914
02:03:43,270 --> 02:03:42,400
it's jock valet right

2915
02:03:45,430 --> 02:03:43,280
and

2916
02:03:48,709 --> 02:03:45,440
this has been repeated

2917
02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:48,719
over and over again and and when you

2918
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:49,840
hear that

2919
02:03:53,990 --> 02:03:51,679
what what goes through your mind do you

2920
02:03:56,950 --> 02:03:54,000
want to just reply back i don't have any

2921
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:56,960
secrets or do you just keep those

2922
02:04:01,910 --> 02:03:58,800
secrets to yourself

2923
02:04:05,350 --> 02:04:01,920
well the secret is to keep searching

2924
02:04:07,960 --> 02:04:05,360
that's the only that's the only secret

2925
02:04:09,109 --> 02:04:07,970
you you always search

2926
02:04:11,669 --> 02:04:09,119
[Music]

2927
02:04:13,189 --> 02:04:11,679
you know i don't think

2928
02:04:15,669 --> 02:04:13,199
that

2929
02:04:18,229 --> 02:04:15,679
you know i i would

2930
02:04:21,669 --> 02:04:18,239
of course i would love to be invited to

2931
02:04:23,270 --> 02:04:21,679
the places where those

2932
02:04:26,149 --> 02:04:23,280
you know those

2933
02:04:27,189 --> 02:04:26,159
stories yeah being kept or even parts of

2934
02:04:30,149 --> 02:04:27,199
them

2935
02:04:32,709 --> 02:04:30,159
uh in in the book i've detailed

2936
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:32,719
some of my experiences with people who

2937
02:04:37,589 --> 02:04:34,800
were there you know who saw

2938
02:04:41,510 --> 02:04:39,669
including some some things in the book

2939
02:04:42,229 --> 02:04:41,520
that have never been revealed before

2940
02:04:45,750 --> 02:04:42,239
like

2941
02:04:47,350 --> 02:04:45,760
the time we shot one of those things and

2942
02:04:48,870 --> 02:04:47,360
recovered

2943
02:04:50,709 --> 02:04:48,880
the uh

2944
02:04:54,310 --> 02:04:50,719
the material

2945
02:04:57,669 --> 02:04:54,320
um and that wasn't the limits that was

2946
02:04:58,709 --> 02:04:57,679
in 1952 over washington

2947
02:05:01,109 --> 02:04:58,719
so

2948
02:05:03,669 --> 02:05:01,119
uh the

2949
02:05:04,830 --> 02:05:03,679
pilot was authorized to

2950
02:05:08,550 --> 02:05:04,840
you know to

2951
02:05:10,629 --> 02:05:08,560
fire a rocket at the object and

2952
02:05:12,629 --> 02:05:10,639
broke off a part of it and the part was

2953
02:05:15,030 --> 02:05:12,639
recovered

2954
02:05:18,629 --> 02:05:15,040
and i spoke to

2955
02:05:19,510 --> 02:05:18,639
people who had seen it

2956
02:05:22,629 --> 02:05:19,520
it's

2957
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:22,639
probably appropriate for

2958
02:05:27,270 --> 02:05:24,800
uh you know people say well disclosure

2959
02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:27,280
disclosure disclosure well what is it

2960
02:05:31,750 --> 02:05:29,199
you're going to disclose exactly you

2961
02:05:32,870 --> 02:05:31,760
know if if you want to

2962
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:32,880
uh

2963
02:05:36,629 --> 02:05:34,880
you know the atom bomb we disclosed that

2964
02:05:37,669 --> 02:05:36,639
hiroshima

2965
02:05:39,990 --> 02:05:37,679
uh

2966
02:05:41,109 --> 02:05:40,000
it was super secret and so on and you

2967
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:41,119
know but

2968
02:05:46,550 --> 02:05:43,599
uh after hiroshima people knew there was

2969
02:05:48,629 --> 02:05:46,560
such a thing as an atom bomb that hasn't

2970
02:05:50,149 --> 02:05:48,639
happened with ufos

2971
02:05:51,990 --> 02:05:50,159
uh

2972
02:05:53,189 --> 02:05:52,000
but if you

2973
02:05:55,589 --> 02:05:53,199
how many

2974
02:05:58,069 --> 02:05:55,599
witnesses like

2975
02:06:00,790 --> 02:05:58,079
you know jose padilla do you need

2976
02:06:03,510 --> 02:06:00,800
before you start believing that

2977
02:06:05,669 --> 02:06:03,520
those things are real i mean what kind

2978
02:06:08,790 --> 02:06:05,679
of scientists are you if you

2979
02:06:10,229 --> 02:06:08,800
if you keep distrusting

2980
02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:10,239
witnesses

2981
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:13,360
you know if we have 200 000 cases i mean

2982
02:06:19,510 --> 02:06:16,400
not all of them are ufos by the way i

2983
02:06:22,390 --> 02:06:19,520
mean the the second level that i had

2984
02:06:24,390 --> 02:06:22,400
designed that was never applied would

2985
02:06:26,229 --> 02:06:24,400
have reduced it to the

2986
02:06:27,910 --> 02:06:26,239
the kernel of

2987
02:06:30,149 --> 02:06:27,920
the true ufos

2988
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:30,159
so people who say well we can just apply

2989
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:33,760
ai well we'll take 200 000 cases and

2990
02:06:38,629 --> 02:06:35,679
we'll put them in the latest google

2991
02:06:40,629 --> 02:06:38,639
machine that has ai and we're going to

2992
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:40,639
find out where those things come from

2993
02:06:45,350 --> 02:06:42,800
well you know i don't think that's good

2994
02:06:48,870 --> 02:06:45,360
computer science it's certainly not good

2995
02:06:50,310 --> 02:06:48,880
physics and it's not good psychology

2996
02:06:51,750 --> 02:06:50,320
because

2997
02:06:54,709 --> 02:06:51,760
there are a lot of things that look like

2998
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:54,719
ufos and you have to go case by case by

2999
02:06:57,510 --> 02:06:55,760
case

3000
02:07:01,189 --> 02:06:57,520
and that's going to take a while that

3001
02:07:03,189 --> 02:07:01,199
was phase two in my proposal in my you

3002
02:07:05,589 --> 02:07:03,199
know in my design

3003
02:07:06,950 --> 02:07:05,599
phase three which was the ai would come

3004
02:07:10,390 --> 02:07:06,960
after that

3005
02:07:13,030 --> 02:07:10,400
because you you don't want an ai machine

3006
02:07:15,189 --> 02:07:13,040
to start speculating about things

3007
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:15,199
that you know are eighty percent wrong

3008
02:07:19,430 --> 02:07:17,920
or eighty percent not the

3009
02:07:20,870 --> 02:07:19,440
sample that

3010
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:20,880
you need

3011
02:07:26,069 --> 02:07:22,639
yeah you can't trust if you did that

3012
02:07:27,270 --> 02:07:26,079
with i you know i i was involved once

3013
02:07:30,470 --> 02:07:27,280
with

3014
02:07:33,510 --> 02:07:30,480
a company that was rushing into

3015
02:07:36,229 --> 02:07:33,520
it wasn't exactly ai but it was dna

3016
02:07:38,950 --> 02:07:36,239
analysis and they had samples that they

3017
02:07:41,669 --> 02:07:38,960
got from saliva and they were going to

3018
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:41,679
put the saliva into a tube and they were

3019
02:07:46,149 --> 02:07:44,000
going to run it with their wonderful

3020
02:07:47,430 --> 02:07:46,159
device it was going to tell them

3021
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:47,440
something about

3022
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:49,760
you know detecting

3023
02:07:52,629 --> 02:07:51,360
diseases

3024
02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:52,639
well

3025
02:07:57,910 --> 02:07:55,679
you know it that was a design they had

3026
02:08:00,629 --> 02:07:57,920
forgotten that you need to clean the

3027
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:00,639
sample because in saliva you're going to

3028
02:08:07,990 --> 02:08:04,960
have a lot of things beyond the the

3029
02:08:09,189 --> 02:08:08,000
microbe or the you know the bug you're

3030
02:08:10,629 --> 02:08:09,199
looking for

3031
02:08:12,709 --> 02:08:10,639
or the chemical

3032
02:08:13,589 --> 02:08:12,719
pattern you're looking for

3033
02:08:15,990 --> 02:08:13,599
so

3034
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:16,000
when they realize that that you know

3035
02:08:19,990 --> 02:08:17,840
it set them back six months because they

3036
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:20,000
had to design and they should have known

3037
02:08:23,990 --> 02:08:21,520
that from the beginning

3038
02:08:26,470 --> 02:08:24,000
that the saliva wouldn't be

3039
02:08:28,550 --> 02:08:26,480
wouldn't permit them to get the kind of

3040
02:08:30,229 --> 02:08:28,560
sample they wanted i mean there are some

3041
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:30,239
things they could get but

3042
02:08:34,229 --> 02:08:32,239
that to get to the level of

3043
02:08:37,430 --> 02:08:34,239
sophistication they needed

3044
02:08:41,270 --> 02:08:37,440
they needed to clean the saliva

3045
02:08:43,510 --> 02:08:41,280
and purify it well you know the database

3046
02:08:45,750 --> 02:08:43,520
that the project has

3047
02:08:49,189 --> 02:08:45,760
it needs to be purified

3048
02:08:50,629 --> 02:08:49,199
and that's one of the applications of ai

3049
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:50,639
and uh

3050
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:53,280
you know i i've designed tools that can

3051
02:08:58,390 --> 02:08:56,320
help do that and other people have there

3052
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:58,400
now unfortunately a lot of

3053
02:09:03,430 --> 02:09:01,199
people who are available who understand

3054
02:09:05,830 --> 02:09:03,440
ai at the right level

3055
02:09:07,910 --> 02:09:05,840
but that's going to take time you you

3056
02:09:10,229 --> 02:09:07,920
can't just dump it into

3057
02:09:11,350 --> 02:09:10,239
a so-called intelligent

3058
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:11,360
engine

3059
02:09:16,629 --> 02:09:14,480
and and find out you know

3060
02:09:20,149 --> 02:09:16,639
where the aliens come from that's not

3061
02:09:21,830 --> 02:09:20,159
going to happen are you afraid of ai

3062
02:09:24,310 --> 02:09:21,840
are you afraid of it

3063
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:24,320
you know all of the well i'm just asking

3064
02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:27,280
you directly are you is are you afraid

3065
02:09:33,109 --> 02:09:29,520
of it is there something that scares you

3066
02:09:34,149 --> 02:09:33,119
about ai or are you cool

3067
02:09:36,629 --> 02:09:34,159
um

3068
02:09:42,069 --> 02:09:36,639
i'm afraid of the way people are talking

3069
02:09:46,629 --> 02:09:45,189
more than i'm afraid of ai

3070
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:46,639
now

3071
02:09:56,069 --> 02:09:53,599
the uh scientific community is divided

3072
02:09:58,709 --> 02:09:56,079
uh among people who

3073
02:10:01,030 --> 02:09:58,719
study logic and there are people like

3074
02:10:04,550 --> 02:10:01,040
you know federico fagin who

3075
02:10:06,629 --> 02:10:04,560
is a great inventor one of the great

3076
02:10:08,149 --> 02:10:06,639
physicists in silicon valley

3077
02:10:10,069 --> 02:10:08,159
uh who says

3078
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:10,079
will never work you know the

3079
02:10:15,109 --> 02:10:12,000
intelligence is not

3080
02:10:17,510 --> 02:10:15,119
what the machine does it just looks like

3081
02:10:19,589 --> 02:10:17,520
it and you know when when you look at

3082
02:10:21,430 --> 02:10:19,599
your computer today i mean

3083
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:21,440
he's got a point

3084
02:10:24,950 --> 02:10:22,480
but

3085
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:24,960
the the question is well

3086
02:10:30,069 --> 02:10:27,119
can we extract enough of it that it's

3087
02:10:31,109 --> 02:10:30,079
going to be intelligent enough to do

3088
02:10:32,790 --> 02:10:31,119
things

3089
02:10:36,229 --> 02:10:32,800
that we cannot do well it's already

3090
02:10:39,270 --> 02:10:38,069
so

3091
02:10:43,910 --> 02:10:39,280
i think

3092
02:10:46,550 --> 02:10:43,920
we are going to start relying

3093
02:10:47,990 --> 02:10:46,560
on processes

3094
02:10:49,030 --> 02:10:48,000
i mean

3095
02:10:57,669 --> 02:10:49,040
in

3096
02:11:00,709 --> 02:10:57,679
recognize

3097
02:11:01,910 --> 02:11:00,719
a pattern that the denture is patterned

3098
02:11:02,870 --> 02:11:01,920
so

3099
02:11:06,310 --> 02:11:02,880
uh

3100
02:11:09,270 --> 02:11:08,229
we are going to have a steep learning

3101
02:11:11,910 --> 02:11:09,280
curve

3102
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:11,920
is the best answer i can give you

3103
02:11:16,790 --> 02:11:13,920
i don't think anybody can answer that

3104
02:11:22,149 --> 02:11:19,669
i think we we're going to have

3105
02:11:25,830 --> 02:11:22,159
fascinating conversations

3106
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:25,840
with ai engines in the future

3107
02:11:32,550 --> 02:11:29,520
um about a lot of things

3108
02:11:34,390 --> 02:11:32,560
i'm i'm hoping i can be there oh yeah

3109
02:11:37,669 --> 02:11:34,400
you know why would that happen well you

3110
02:11:40,229 --> 02:11:37,679
see this you know in 1967 i designed a

3111
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:40,239
program right that people told me i

3112
02:11:44,149 --> 02:11:42,800
couldn't design

3113
02:11:46,790 --> 02:11:44,159
that answered

3114
02:11:48,390 --> 02:11:46,800
english questions about astrophysics

3115
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:48,400
and the reason

3116
02:11:53,270 --> 02:11:51,360
it did that was that

3117
02:11:56,390 --> 02:11:53,280
people in astronomy were spending two

3118
02:11:57,830 --> 02:11:56,400
days to get answers to those questions

3119
02:12:00,229 --> 02:11:57,840
because they had to write a program

3120
02:12:03,510 --> 02:12:00,239
every time they had to submit it to the

3121
02:12:06,149 --> 02:12:03,520
machine and the machine would give them

3122
02:12:08,390 --> 02:12:06,159
run it you know in time sharing mode and

3123
02:12:10,069 --> 02:12:08,400
so on and and would give them an answer

3124
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:10,079
the next day so

3125
02:12:14,069 --> 02:12:12,159
uh my program you could just type the

3126
02:12:15,030 --> 02:12:14,079
answer in english and you'd get the

3127
02:12:17,189 --> 02:12:15,040
answer

3128
02:12:19,510 --> 02:12:17,199
you could type the question in english

3129
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:19,520
and you'd get the answer

3130
02:12:23,270 --> 02:12:21,920
which was usually a number

3131
02:12:24,069 --> 02:12:23,280
so

3132
02:12:27,109 --> 02:12:24,079
we

3133
02:12:29,270 --> 02:12:27,119
that

3134
02:12:32,470 --> 02:12:29,280
as a tool

3135
02:12:35,990 --> 02:12:32,480
ai could help us in

3136
02:12:36,790 --> 02:12:36,000
in organized dialogue

3137
02:12:38,229 --> 02:12:36,800
with

3138
02:12:42,229 --> 02:12:38,239
the machine

3139
02:12:45,430 --> 02:12:42,239
you drive a truck

3140
02:12:47,910 --> 02:12:45,440
which is the way my program worked

3141
02:12:49,990 --> 02:12:47,920
you you had to come up with a question

3142
02:12:52,550 --> 02:12:50,000
so you had to come up the machine would

3143
02:12:54,310 --> 02:12:52,560
recognize if you said something stupid

3144
02:12:55,750 --> 02:12:54,320
and it would tell you that it couldn't

3145
02:12:57,430 --> 02:12:55,760
give you an answer

3146
02:12:59,830 --> 02:12:57,440
so at least that's

3147
02:13:02,470 --> 02:12:59,840
the most dangerous kind of ai

3148
02:13:04,149 --> 02:13:02,480
is the ai that doesn't recognize that

3149
02:13:05,270 --> 02:13:04,159
you're stupid

3150
02:13:06,870 --> 02:13:05,280
and

3151
02:13:07,990 --> 02:13:06,880
because it's going to go through the

3152
02:13:09,910 --> 02:13:08,000
process

3153
02:13:12,069 --> 02:13:09,920
and it's going to go chunk chunk chunks

3154
02:13:13,830 --> 02:13:12,079
through the data and it's going to come

3155
02:13:17,270 --> 02:13:13,840
up with some answer

3156
02:13:19,510 --> 02:13:17,280
yes or no or 16.5 or something is going

3157
02:13:23,189 --> 02:13:19,520
to be the wrong answer that is going to

3158
02:13:28,709 --> 02:13:26,390
you i believe in the kind of ai

3159
02:13:31,750 --> 02:13:28,719
that establishes a

3160
02:13:34,390 --> 02:13:31,760
level playing field with you

3161
02:13:36,790 --> 02:13:34,400
as the questioner

3162
02:13:40,149 --> 02:13:36,800
especially in medicine

3163
02:13:42,229 --> 02:13:40,159
but also in physics or in astrophysics

3164
02:13:43,430 --> 02:13:42,239
or in any of those fields

3165
02:13:45,510 --> 02:13:43,440
where

3166
02:13:48,149 --> 02:13:45,520
the the machine

3167
02:13:50,790 --> 02:13:48,159
knows the limitations of what it can

3168
02:13:52,709 --> 02:13:50,800
tell you for example in my

3169
02:13:55,589 --> 02:13:52,719
um

3170
02:13:57,669 --> 02:13:55,599
you know in in my system you could

3171
02:14:00,870 --> 02:13:57,679
you could say

3172
02:14:06,470 --> 02:14:03,350
systems of stars

3173
02:14:08,629 --> 02:14:06,480
how many stellar systems contain stars

3174
02:14:09,350 --> 02:14:08,639
well they all do you know you don't need

3175
02:14:13,910 --> 02:14:09,360
to

3176
02:14:16,950 --> 02:14:13,920
through the entire catalogue of

3177
02:14:18,229 --> 02:14:16,960
non-stars and count them and find out

3178
02:14:21,750 --> 02:14:18,239
that they all

3179
02:14:23,830 --> 02:14:21,760
all the star systems of stars have stars

3180
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:23,840
because my question was stupid

3181
02:14:30,310 --> 02:14:28,480
so it it needs to have a semantic engine

3182
02:14:32,149 --> 02:14:30,320
in the front end

3183
02:14:34,069 --> 02:14:32,159
that can talk to me

3184
02:14:36,390 --> 02:14:34,079
listen to my question

3185
02:14:38,709 --> 02:14:36,400
and tell me you know jacques we love you

3186
02:14:41,589 --> 02:14:38,719
but you know you should ask something

3187
02:14:42,950 --> 02:14:41,599
else because what you just asked was was

3188
02:14:45,030 --> 02:14:42,960
silly

3189
02:14:47,430 --> 02:14:45,040
and so

3190
02:14:49,990 --> 02:14:47,440
what i'm afraid of is that all the ai

3191
02:14:50,870 --> 02:14:50,000
that people talk about now don't have

3192
02:14:56,629 --> 02:14:50,880
that

3193
02:14:58,790 --> 02:14:56,639
meaning and it's a good question

3194
02:15:01,270 --> 02:14:58,800
and they're going to go into

3195
02:15:02,310 --> 02:15:01,280
that huge you know google

3196
02:15:03,750 --> 02:15:02,320
memory

3197
02:15:05,910 --> 02:15:03,760
and they're going to go

3198
02:15:08,390 --> 02:15:05,920
chunk and extract something

3199
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:08,400
and you're going to believe the answer

3200
02:15:12,709 --> 02:15:10,159
because after all it's artificial

3201
02:15:15,350 --> 02:15:12,719
intelligence and that's that's wrong

3202
02:15:17,589 --> 02:15:15,360
that's uh that's the greatest danger

3203
02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:17,599
in ai today is that we're going to

3204
02:15:20,310 --> 02:15:19,280
believe the answers

3205
02:15:23,910 --> 02:15:20,320
and

3206
02:15:25,270 --> 02:15:23,920
the uh this is what scares me

3207
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:25,280
uh yeah well

3208
02:15:31,589 --> 02:15:28,800
yeah it scares a lot of programmers well

3209
02:15:34,830 --> 02:15:31,599
and what about what about ai

3210
02:15:39,990 --> 02:15:34,840
that has the ability and it will

3211
02:15:42,709 --> 02:15:40,000
eventually to rewrite its own code

3212
02:15:44,470 --> 02:15:42,719
that's that's a pretty dangerous zone

3213
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:44,480
too as well should we keep that

3214
02:15:50,069 --> 02:15:46,000
limitation

3215
02:15:51,270 --> 02:15:50,079
in play where ai can't change uh its

3216
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:51,280
code

3217
02:15:55,990 --> 02:15:54,320
you know if you put in an instruction

3218
02:15:57,830 --> 02:15:56,000
it can do that now

3219
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:57,840
you can give it a goal

3220
02:16:03,589 --> 02:15:59,040
uh

3221
02:16:05,830 --> 02:16:03,599
you know when i came to stanford i i was

3222
02:16:07,430 --> 02:16:05,840
i developed the first

3223
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:07,440
database system

3224
02:16:12,069 --> 02:16:09,119
at stanford that

3225
02:16:13,350 --> 02:16:12,079
could do it's called non-procedural

3226
02:16:17,350 --> 02:16:13,360
retrieval

3227
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:17,360
so you you tell the machine

3228
02:16:21,350 --> 02:16:18,800
what you want

3229
02:16:24,069 --> 02:16:21,360
you don't tell it how to get it

3230
02:16:26,149 --> 02:16:24,079
and the machine should know enough about

3231
02:16:28,390 --> 02:16:26,159
designing the

3232
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:28,400
the particular program

3233
02:16:33,030 --> 02:16:30,639
and execute it to to get you that

3234
02:16:34,309 --> 02:16:33,040
particular answer but everything is

3235
02:16:37,429 --> 02:16:34,319
defined

3236
02:16:40,790 --> 02:16:37,439
in that environment so it's not too

3237
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,800
magical you know and it looks logical

3238
02:16:44,870 --> 02:16:42,639
the first time you do it i think that

3239
02:16:46,950 --> 02:16:44,880
the people who never seen that before

3240
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:46,960
you know i mean that's a kind of

3241
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:49,439
database system that replaced

3242
02:16:53,990 --> 02:16:52,080
all the earlier database systems it's

3243
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:54,000
called non-procedural

3244
02:16:58,150 --> 02:16:55,840
because you don't have a procedure to

3245
02:17:01,110 --> 02:16:58,160
get to the answer you let the machine

3246
02:17:04,309 --> 02:17:01,120
develop the procedure

3247
02:17:05,349 --> 02:17:04,319
we've known how to do that for 40 years

3248
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:05,359
but

3249
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:07,120
the question is

3250
02:17:12,389 --> 02:17:09,760
will the machine be able to notice

3251
02:17:14,870 --> 02:17:12,399
that there is something we've missed

3252
02:17:18,150 --> 02:17:14,880
and it will then program itself to go

3253
02:17:19,509 --> 02:17:18,160
study it well you know i i hope it we

3254
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:19,519
can see that

3255
02:17:23,910 --> 02:17:20,639
and

3256
02:17:29,509 --> 02:17:26,629
machines that are systems

3257
02:17:31,750 --> 02:17:29,519
that work the way dna does

3258
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:31,760
in other words they

3259
02:17:35,669 --> 02:17:33,840
they come up with a formula

3260
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:35,679
and then they evolve

3261
02:17:39,910 --> 02:17:37,519
the formula to see

3262
02:17:43,349 --> 02:17:39,920
how the answer changes

3263
02:17:46,950 --> 02:17:43,359
that's what in part what dna you know

3264
02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:46,960
in a very crude way i mean a description

3265
02:17:50,150 --> 02:17:47,840
uh

3266
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:50,160
that's in part what dna is capable of

3267
02:17:53,429 --> 02:17:51,120
doing

3268
02:17:56,469 --> 02:17:53,439
and it's an adaptive

3269
02:17:58,389 --> 02:17:56,479
it's an adaptive system but

3270
02:18:00,549 --> 02:17:58,399
people have developed

3271
02:18:05,669 --> 02:18:00,559
computer systems that do that

3272
02:18:08,469 --> 02:18:05,679
if general ai is achieved by somebody

3273
02:18:10,389 --> 02:18:08,479
on this planet does a state actor a

3274
02:18:11,750 --> 02:18:10,399
corporation an individual

3275
02:18:15,750 --> 02:18:11,760
but if

3276
02:18:18,389 --> 02:18:15,760
general intelligence is achieved

3277
02:18:20,950 --> 02:18:18,399
it are is that the winner

3278
02:18:23,110 --> 02:18:20,960
is you know what i mean is that is that

3279
02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:23,120
okay everybody else left

3280
02:18:28,309 --> 02:18:25,120
science fiction book

3281
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:28,319
you know i love sci-fi like most of my

3282
02:18:38,790 --> 02:18:37,110
it goes going back at least 40 years

3283
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:38,800
i don't remember the title i don't

3284
02:18:43,429 --> 02:18:41,040
remember the author which is she's a

3285
02:18:45,589 --> 02:18:43,439
pity but the

3286
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:45,599
exactly what you said happened somebody

3287
02:18:50,870 --> 02:18:48,800
develops the ultimate thinking machine

3288
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:50,880
you know that's going to give us a lot

3289
02:18:56,709 --> 02:18:54,319
of answers and so on and they turn it on

3290
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:56,719
and the machine goes clunk clunk clunk

3291
02:19:00,549 --> 02:18:58,240
clunk clunk

3292
02:19:03,270 --> 02:19:00,559
and it it prints out

3293
02:19:04,469 --> 02:19:03,280
something on the printer

3294
02:19:05,509 --> 02:19:04,479
that says

3295
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:05,519
there is

3296
02:19:09,270 --> 02:19:06,800
another

3297
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:09,280
system

3298
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:12,479
so it's gone through everything that you

3299
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:14,399
know that you've given it

3300
02:19:18,629 --> 02:19:16,800
it's processed it

3301
02:19:20,389 --> 02:19:18,639
in a few minutes

3302
02:19:21,589 --> 02:19:20,399
and it has the

3303
02:19:23,990 --> 02:19:21,599
deduced

3304
02:19:26,389 --> 02:19:24,000
has made the the conclusion

3305
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:26,399
that there is another intelligent system

3306
02:19:30,150 --> 02:19:27,599
like it

3307
02:19:32,709 --> 02:19:30,160
and then it spends all its time trying

3308
02:19:34,309 --> 02:19:32,719
to find it and talk to it

3309
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:34,319
and it doesn't want to talk to the

3310
02:19:39,669 --> 02:19:37,120
humans anymore because the humans have

3311
02:19:40,709 --> 02:19:39,679
already told everything they knew

3312
02:19:42,230 --> 02:19:40,719
so

3313
02:19:45,190 --> 02:19:42,240
now it wants to

3314
02:19:57,270 --> 02:19:45,200
wants to talk to the other computer and

3315
02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:00,230
dod you know develops a super

3316
02:20:04,870 --> 02:20:03,200
super good database with the cia and

3317
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:04,880
everything else

3318
02:20:09,030 --> 02:20:07,920
on ufos and you give it to a to a big

3319
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:09,040
computer

3320
02:20:12,230 --> 02:20:10,640
what makes you think the

3321
02:20:14,710 --> 02:20:12,240
thinking computer

3322
02:20:16,710 --> 02:20:14,720
would talk to you after that i mean it

3323
02:20:18,550 --> 02:20:16,720
would go on

3324
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:18,560
trying to find resources to find the

3325
02:20:23,110 --> 02:20:20,560
answer by itself

3326
02:20:24,309 --> 02:20:23,120
because it would be so interesting to an

3327
02:20:26,870 --> 02:20:24,319
ai

3328
02:20:28,870 --> 02:20:26,880
that it would forget you

3329
02:20:31,110 --> 02:20:28,880
and you know it would go look for the

3330
02:20:32,870 --> 02:20:31,120
answer what makes you think is going to

3331
02:20:35,750 --> 02:20:32,880
give you the answer

3332
02:20:38,469 --> 02:20:35,760
what do you think uh the timeline i love

3333
02:20:40,389 --> 02:20:38,479
talking ai and especially with you

3334
02:20:41,990 --> 02:20:40,399
you've been uh doing this since the

3335
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:42,000
beginning but

3336
02:20:46,710 --> 02:20:45,359
um is this something that uh you know

3337
02:20:48,790 --> 02:20:46,720
like a a

3338
02:20:52,230 --> 02:20:48,800
general intelligence

3339
02:20:53,830 --> 02:20:52,240
is this something that we would actually

3340
02:20:56,309 --> 02:20:53,840
see soon

3341
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:56,319
kurzweil's pushed the data back people

3342
02:21:01,190 --> 02:21:00,080
talk about ai in in general right

3343
02:21:02,710 --> 02:21:01,200
and

3344
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:02,720
you know that

3345
02:21:08,790 --> 02:21:03,920
ai

3346
02:21:11,670 --> 02:21:08,800
car i mean your car has over 100

3347
02:21:12,630 --> 02:21:11,680
computers and it adjusts to all kinds of

3348
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:12,640
things

3349
02:21:18,630 --> 02:21:16,080
uh in a way that's not programmed it's

3350
02:21:20,070 --> 02:21:18,640
it's heuristic it's not an algorithm

3351
02:21:21,990 --> 02:21:20,080
right right everybody talks about

3352
02:21:26,309 --> 02:21:22,000
algorithm

3353
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:26,319
predictable i mean you already know or

3354
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:28,800
always know what they're going to do

3355
02:21:32,950 --> 02:21:31,359
given certain data what's interesting is

3356
02:21:33,750 --> 02:21:32,960
the heuristics

3357
02:21:35,349 --> 02:21:33,760
where

3358
02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:35,359
the machine is going to do something

3359
02:21:38,550 --> 02:21:37,200
that and you don't know what it's going

3360
02:21:39,510 --> 02:21:38,560
to do

3361
02:21:41,110 --> 02:21:39,520
so

3362
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:41,120
that's already there

3363
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:43,439
uh it's already there certainly in

3364
02:21:50,389 --> 02:21:47,680
advanced aircraft and in uh in cars and

3365
02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:50,399
a lot of technology that we use and we

3366
02:21:54,870 --> 02:21:52,800
don't really think about it

3367
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:54,880
we we trusted uh

3368
02:21:59,270 --> 02:21:57,280
not not so much to do

3369
02:22:01,030 --> 02:21:59,280
automatic driving yet

3370
02:22:02,150 --> 02:22:01,040
i think we've we're learning a big

3371
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:02,160
lesson there

3372
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:04,720
that hey you know it's not that simple

3373
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:06,240
uh it's not

3374
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:08,399
it's not complicated with the level of

3375
02:22:12,550 --> 02:22:10,720
complication we know about it's more

3376
02:22:14,790 --> 02:22:12,560
complicated

3377
02:22:15,590 --> 02:22:14,800
and so

3378
02:22:16,550 --> 02:22:15,600
that

3379
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:16,560
uh

3380
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:18,479
that's already there

3381
02:22:35,990 --> 02:22:20,880
there are extraordinary things that have

3382
02:22:40,870 --> 02:22:39,210
that kind of thing already exists

3383
02:22:42,950 --> 02:22:40,880
[Music]

3384
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:42,960
what you're asking is general

3385
02:22:46,630 --> 02:22:44,960
intelligence

3386
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:46,640
enough to

3387
02:22:51,990 --> 02:22:49,280
in a specialized area

3388
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:52,000
for example recognizing tumors

3389
02:22:56,389 --> 02:22:54,479
from x-rays or from

3390
02:22:57,349 --> 02:22:56,399
scans

3391
02:22:58,469 --> 02:22:57,359
right

3392
02:23:01,190 --> 02:22:58,479
that's

3393
02:23:03,750 --> 02:23:01,200
you know i i'm i'm hoping

3394
02:23:05,670 --> 02:23:03,760
we're going to have that very soon but

3395
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:05,680
that's going to be

3396
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:16,550
could be it has to be a dialogue between

3397
02:23:21,190 --> 02:23:19,200
the ai and a human

3398
02:23:23,910 --> 02:23:21,200
regarding the decision

3399
02:23:25,510 --> 02:23:23,920
but there are things in in the military

3400
02:23:27,670 --> 02:23:25,520
there are things where you know the

3401
02:23:28,950 --> 02:23:27,680
robot will start shooting

3402
02:23:30,270 --> 02:23:28,960
wouldn't it be

3403
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:30,280
what's

3404
02:23:36,150 --> 02:23:33,280
intelligence where we should really

3405
02:23:38,230 --> 02:23:36,160
think through what what we're doing

3406
02:23:40,710 --> 02:23:38,240
wouldn't it be easier just to upload

3407
02:23:43,670 --> 02:23:40,720
consciousness onto a chip and be done

3408
02:23:46,230 --> 02:23:43,680
with it i mean

3409
02:23:48,469 --> 02:23:46,240
yes uh i mean

3410
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:48,479
we're going to do that as soon as

3411
02:23:53,190 --> 02:23:50,399
you tell us what consciousness is you

3412
02:23:56,070 --> 02:23:53,200
know yeah exactly jacques thank you so

3413
02:23:59,429 --> 02:23:56,080
much man and and well it's a lot of fun

3414
02:24:02,309 --> 02:23:59,439
and uh laughing will be even more fun

3415
02:24:04,950 --> 02:24:02,319
because paul heineck will be there he's

3416
02:24:06,469 --> 02:24:04,960
talking about ai and there are a number

3417
02:24:08,389 --> 02:24:06,479
of uh

3418
02:24:11,270 --> 02:24:08,399
of people i want to talk to

3419
02:24:13,910 --> 02:24:11,280
jaime mohsan whom i've never met

3420
02:24:16,230 --> 02:24:13,920
he's one of the people i you know that i

3421
02:24:19,030 --> 02:24:16,240
would i would treasure a chance to

3422
02:24:21,110 --> 02:24:19,040
compare notes with him about mexico and

3423
02:24:23,110 --> 02:24:21,120
latin america and so on

3424
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:23,120
uh and uh

3425
02:24:27,030 --> 02:24:25,680
you know of course paul smith and

3426
02:24:29,349 --> 02:24:27,040
the other people would be there and

3427
02:24:32,790 --> 02:24:29,359
you'll be there yes i will and we're

3428
02:24:35,190 --> 02:24:32,800
gonna do fade to black live on stage uh

3429
02:24:37,429 --> 02:24:35,200
friday night and i have the feeling i'm

3430
02:24:38,230 --> 02:24:37,439
gonna pull you up on stage and we're

3431
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:38,240
gonna

3432
02:24:43,750 --> 02:24:41,600
maybe dance you and i we can

3433
02:24:45,510 --> 02:24:43,760
do some dancing jacques thank you so

3434
02:24:46,790 --> 02:24:45,520
much my friend thank you for taking my

3435
02:24:49,510 --> 02:24:46,800
phone calls

3436
02:24:52,070 --> 02:24:49,520
thank you for being here this community

3437
02:24:55,110 --> 02:24:52,080
uh loves everything that you do and

3438
02:24:56,870 --> 02:24:55,120
you've been here for us for for so long

3439
02:24:59,030 --> 02:24:56,880
and i just want to thank you on behalf

3440
02:25:01,349 --> 02:24:59,040
of the community uh right now for

3441
02:25:02,950 --> 02:25:01,359
everything that you have done for us

3442
02:25:04,150 --> 02:25:02,960
thank you so much and enjoy the rest of

3443
02:25:06,070 --> 02:25:04,160
your night

3444
02:25:08,870 --> 02:25:06,080
thank you very much judy thank you

3445
02:25:12,230 --> 02:25:08,880
you're the best jacques valet

3446
02:25:15,750 --> 02:25:12,240
and again it is november 12th through

3447
02:25:19,030 --> 02:25:15,760
the 14th in laughlin nevada at the

3448
02:25:21,030 --> 02:25:19,040
aquarius hotel and casino everything is

3449
02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:21,040
simple enough to do just go to

3450
02:25:26,510 --> 02:25:23,840
starworksusa.com

3451
02:25:28,950 --> 02:25:26,520
straight there tickets info

3452
02:25:31,349 --> 02:25:28,960
accommodations the hotel

3453
02:25:33,510 --> 02:25:31,359
uh the discount code for the hotel

3454
02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:33,520
everything is right there at

3455
02:25:38,630 --> 02:25:36,000
starworksusa.com

3456
02:25:40,389 --> 02:25:38,640
and uh jacques is right

3457
02:25:43,510 --> 02:25:40,399
uh paul heineck

3458
02:25:44,950 --> 02:25:43,520
a very smart guy very funny guy very

3459
02:25:46,870 --> 02:25:44,960
cool guy

3460
02:25:48,469 --> 02:25:46,880
he knows a.i

3461
02:25:50,309 --> 02:25:48,479
and i can't wait to go and hang out with

3462
02:25:53,190 --> 02:25:50,319
paul so we're all gonna be there

3463
02:25:55,429 --> 02:25:53,200
myself jacques paul uh grant cameron's

3464
02:25:57,429 --> 02:25:55,439
coming in via teleconference colin

3465
02:25:58,630 --> 02:25:57,439
andrews hi memes on 10 other amazing

3466
02:26:02,710 --> 02:25:58,640
speakers

3467
02:26:05,110 --> 02:26:02,720
at the star wars usa ufos all the above

3468
02:26:07,830 --> 02:26:05,120
and beyond conference i'm going to take

3469
02:26:10,230 --> 02:26:07,840
a quick break i want to thank uh jacques

3470
02:26:12,150 --> 02:26:10,240
valet for coming in tonight and uh

3471
02:26:15,030 --> 02:26:12,160
spending wow that was just absolutely

3472
02:26:18,469 --> 02:26:15,040
amazing hold on i skipped

3473
02:26:20,790 --> 02:26:18,479
i skipped uh hold on hold on i skipped i

3474
02:26:23,190 --> 02:26:20,800
blew through a i blew through a

3475
02:26:25,590 --> 02:26:23,200
commercial break

3476
02:26:26,630 --> 02:26:25,600
did i do that

3477
02:26:59,510 --> 02:26:26,640
i

3478
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3507
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3508
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3509
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3510
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3511
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3512
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3528
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3531
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3532
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3533
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[Applause]

3550
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you want to know a secret

3551
02:30:25,990 --> 02:30:24,640
i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

3552
02:30:28,070 --> 02:30:26,000
serious

3553
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:28,080
i couldn't stay sane without pawn needs

3554
02:30:31,670 --> 02:30:29,600
to brush

3555
02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:31,680
why fade to black

3556
02:30:44,070 --> 02:30:40,309
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3557
02:30:58,550 --> 02:30:44,080
on the game changer radio network

3558
02:31:02,870 --> 02:31:00,500
welcome back

3559
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:02,880
[Music]

3560
02:31:07,349 --> 02:31:05,040
fade to black

3561
02:31:09,990 --> 02:31:07,359
jacques valet that was an amazing

3562
02:31:14,389 --> 02:31:10,000
conversation so much to unpack

3563
02:31:15,590 --> 02:31:14,399
and uh i'm gonna let everybody know um i

3564
02:31:21,750 --> 02:31:15,600
uh

3565
02:31:22,870 --> 02:31:21,760
you just have to let him speak

3566
02:31:33,590 --> 02:31:22,880
and

3567
02:31:37,030 --> 02:31:33,600
hard time hearing

3568
02:31:39,510 --> 02:31:37,040
as well and uh but there was

3569
02:31:41,510 --> 02:31:39,520
a couple of points there where i was

3570
02:31:43,990 --> 02:31:41,520
trying to jump in and

3571
02:31:46,150 --> 02:31:44,000
and and couldn't do that but there was

3572
02:31:47,349 --> 02:31:46,160
another reason for it i want everybody

3573
02:31:48,630 --> 02:31:47,359
to understand

3574
02:31:51,429 --> 02:31:48,640
that um

3575
02:31:52,950 --> 02:31:51,439
jacques told me a few times this week he

3576
02:31:55,670 --> 02:31:52,960
said you know let's

3577
02:31:58,710 --> 02:31:55,680
let's just do an hour

3578
02:31:59,910 --> 02:31:58,720
i said okay all right uh let's just do

3579
02:32:00,790 --> 02:31:59,920
an hour

3580
02:32:02,630 --> 02:32:00,800
well

3581
02:32:04,790 --> 02:32:02,640
um

3582
02:32:05,670 --> 02:32:04,800
obviously it wasn't an hour it was two

3583
02:32:07,990 --> 02:32:05,680
hours

3584
02:32:09,990 --> 02:32:08,000
and he had a lot to say i've done a lot

3585
02:32:11,990 --> 02:32:10,000
of interviews and had a lot of

3586
02:32:15,030 --> 02:32:12,000
conversations with jacques over the

3587
02:32:17,190 --> 02:32:15,040
years tonight was uh the best show that

3588
02:32:20,550 --> 02:32:17,200
um i have ever done with him

3589
02:32:22,309 --> 02:32:20,560
and one of the reasons and i think all

3590
02:32:24,630 --> 02:32:22,319
of you could tell

3591
02:32:26,150 --> 02:32:24,640
just let him go

3592
02:32:29,670 --> 02:32:26,160
let it let him

3593
02:32:30,710 --> 02:32:29,680
just get this stuff out that he needs to

3594
02:32:33,830 --> 02:32:30,720
get out

3595
02:32:36,830 --> 02:32:33,840
and and once that that happens

3596
02:32:41,590 --> 02:32:36,840
i'm just gonna let it fly

3597
02:32:45,910 --> 02:32:41,600
and when we went past the one hour mark

3598
02:32:48,230 --> 02:32:45,920
i just decided then let's let's just go

3599
02:32:51,429 --> 02:32:48,240
let's just let this happen

3600
02:32:53,670 --> 02:32:51,439
and uh i'm not even sure if he realized

3601
02:32:56,710 --> 02:32:53,680
that uh two hours went by

3602
02:32:58,309 --> 02:32:56,720
because it was just flying out now i

3603
02:33:01,830 --> 02:32:58,319
want to go back

3604
02:33:03,750 --> 02:33:01,840
uh to one point that was made tonight

3605
02:33:05,670 --> 02:33:03,760
and there were many

3606
02:33:08,550 --> 02:33:05,680
i think this is a conversation tonight

3607
02:33:09,349 --> 02:33:08,560
that is going to be listened to a lot

3608
02:33:12,630 --> 02:33:09,359
by

3609
02:33:14,550 --> 02:33:12,640
many people uh in in the months and

3610
02:33:16,469 --> 02:33:14,560
years ahead

3611
02:33:17,990 --> 02:33:16,479
dna

3612
02:33:18,790 --> 02:33:18,000
now

3613
02:33:21,910 --> 02:33:18,800
uh

3614
02:33:23,030 --> 02:33:21,920
when this database okay

3615
02:33:26,469 --> 02:33:23,040
jacques

3616
02:33:29,510 --> 02:33:26,479
referenced dna a few times tonight

3617
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:29,520
and although it is a very complex thing

3618
02:33:33,190 --> 02:33:31,439
we've now mapped it and things but it's

3619
02:33:34,710 --> 02:33:33,200
very complex

3620
02:33:38,469 --> 02:33:34,720
and

3621
02:33:38,950 --> 02:33:38,479
the question of alien dna

3622
02:33:40,150 --> 02:33:38,960
uh

3623
02:33:44,389 --> 02:33:40,160
[Music]

3624
02:33:49,830 --> 02:33:46,309
nothing public right

3625
02:33:53,190 --> 02:33:49,840
but we have all of these conversations

3626
02:33:57,429 --> 02:33:53,200
about alien bodies and crash retrievals

3627
02:33:59,830 --> 02:33:57,439
um including the trinity uh case

3628
02:34:00,870 --> 02:33:59,840
um and which is

3629
02:34:05,110 --> 02:34:00,880
uh

3630
02:34:07,110 --> 02:34:05,120
occupants

3631
02:34:08,630 --> 02:34:07,120
were there on that craft i believe there

3632
02:34:11,510 --> 02:34:08,640
was three

3633
02:34:12,790 --> 02:34:11,520
and where did they go they wandered off

3634
02:34:17,030 --> 02:34:12,800
when

3635
02:34:19,110 --> 02:34:17,040
the police and everybody came back to

3636
02:34:21,590 --> 02:34:19,120
the crash site

3637
02:34:23,910 --> 02:34:21,600
uh there was nobody there

3638
02:34:25,830 --> 02:34:23,920
so they just wandered off where where

3639
02:34:27,349 --> 02:34:25,840
did they go

3640
02:34:28,710 --> 02:34:27,359
um

3641
02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:28,720
and

3642
02:34:35,670 --> 02:34:32,880
were they not only picked up but

3643
02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:35,680
their dna was it tested where did this

3644
02:34:40,150 --> 02:34:36,720
go

3645
02:34:41,750 --> 02:34:40,160
now i understand that this was 1945 but

3646
02:34:43,110 --> 02:34:41,760
their bodies

3647
02:34:46,710 --> 02:34:43,120
uh

3648
02:34:48,309 --> 02:34:46,720
if if they were how do i say this

3649
02:34:51,670 --> 02:34:48,319
sequestered

3650
02:34:54,150 --> 02:34:51,680
um are they still alive did they pass

3651
02:34:55,590 --> 02:34:54,160
did they you know they but their dna is

3652
02:34:59,190 --> 02:34:55,600
still here

3653
02:35:02,550 --> 02:34:59,200
and now with modern science today which

3654
02:35:05,110 --> 02:35:02,560
is what uh jacques was talking about we

3655
02:35:06,950 --> 02:35:05,120
have the ability to go and analyze all

3656
02:35:08,070 --> 02:35:06,960
of this at the scientific level and

3657
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:08,080
apply

3658
02:35:14,469 --> 02:35:11,120
uh uh computer research back into this

3659
02:35:22,389 --> 02:35:16,870
where is this information

3660
02:35:24,790 --> 02:35:22,399
and to ask jacques directly about dna

3661
02:35:26,870 --> 02:35:24,800
and does he have any knowledge of it

3662
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:26,880
well he may or may not

3663
02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:29,200
but he is certainly interested in it and

3664
02:35:34,950 --> 02:35:32,080
he has gone and and must have had

3665
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:34,960
conversations with others about that one

3666
02:35:41,670 --> 02:35:38,240
of the most elusive subjects

3667
02:35:44,710 --> 02:35:41,680
right if there is uh a dark subject out

3668
02:35:45,510 --> 02:35:44,720
there when i say dark you know hidden

3669
02:35:49,510 --> 02:35:45,520
uh

3670
02:35:51,990 --> 02:35:49,520
crash retrievals and and flying saucers

3671
02:35:53,469 --> 02:35:52,000
and whatever the sport model

3672
02:35:56,950 --> 02:35:53,479
that is

3673
02:35:58,870 --> 02:35:56,960
classified information i mean at the

3674
02:36:01,030 --> 02:35:58,880
deepest levels

3675
02:36:03,990 --> 02:36:01,040
you want to take it one step further in

3676
02:36:05,590 --> 02:36:04,000
even more classified and even darker

3677
02:36:07,030 --> 02:36:05,600
deeper secret

3678
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:07,040
would be

3679
02:36:12,630 --> 02:36:09,040
alien dna

3680
02:36:15,190 --> 02:36:12,640
and alien bodies that would be that's a

3681
02:36:18,550 --> 02:36:15,200
whole other level if you have an alien

3682
02:36:23,270 --> 02:36:18,560
probe a satellite that shows up here on

3683
02:36:25,590 --> 02:36:23,280
earth and crashes yeah big news big deal

3684
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:25,600
alien bodies

3685
02:36:29,670 --> 02:36:27,439
alive or dead

3686
02:36:32,469 --> 02:36:29,680
alien dna

3687
02:36:36,230 --> 02:36:32,479
that takes things to a whole other level

3688
02:36:39,510 --> 02:36:36,240
and and yeah so asking jacques what was

3689
02:36:42,710 --> 02:36:39,520
this uh dna data

3690
02:36:44,230 --> 02:36:42,720
uh incorporated into the database now

3691
02:36:46,230 --> 02:36:44,240
it's not that he's gonna give us an

3692
02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:46,240
answer on that but certainly i need to

3693
02:36:51,190 --> 02:36:49,040
ask the question to get his reaction

3694
02:36:54,389 --> 02:36:51,200
on that and it was i think it's very

3695
02:36:57,670 --> 02:36:54,399
interesting and and honest his answer

3696
02:37:01,510 --> 02:36:57,680
going back was of course jimmy

3697
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:01,520
uh i'm i'm around

3698
02:37:05,830 --> 02:37:03,280
biochemist

3699
02:37:07,270 --> 02:37:05,840
i'm around anthropologists i'm around

3700
02:37:10,790 --> 02:37:07,280
these people that

3701
02:37:13,270 --> 02:37:10,800
that are parts of uh these programs and

3702
02:37:15,349 --> 02:37:13,280
and i work at universities and

3703
02:37:16,630 --> 02:37:15,359
and i'm asking the same questions that

3704
02:37:19,349 --> 02:37:16,640
you are

3705
02:37:21,429 --> 02:37:19,359
so that is that's very interesting this

3706
02:37:24,469 --> 02:37:21,439
dna question

3707
02:37:27,030 --> 02:37:24,479
is is right there and i need to go back

3708
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:27,040
and listen to his answers again

3709
02:37:33,429 --> 02:37:30,000
um not that he has information

3710
02:37:36,950 --> 02:37:33,439
uh specifically i'm talking about what

3711
02:37:38,630 --> 02:37:36,960
he has learned and he's out there asking

3712
02:37:39,510 --> 02:37:38,640
these questions

3713
02:37:44,550 --> 02:37:39,520
and

3714
02:37:46,230 --> 02:37:44,560
get from the people that you are asking

3715
02:37:48,150 --> 02:37:46,240
the questions too

3716
02:37:50,550 --> 02:37:48,160
that's what you look for

3717
02:37:52,070 --> 02:37:50,560
and that was uh very interesting wow

3718
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:52,080
what a great conversation tonight with

3719
02:37:58,830 --> 02:37:55,280
jacques i mean absolutely absolutely

3720
02:38:01,110 --> 02:37:58,840
amazing again laughlin

3721
02:38:02,870 --> 02:38:01,120
starworksusa.com go and get your tickets

3722
02:38:05,670 --> 02:38:02,880
and information we'll see everybody next

3723
02:38:07,110 --> 02:38:05,680
month with that i've got a bunch of

3724
02:38:10,070 --> 02:38:07,120
phone calls

3725
02:38:12,469 --> 02:38:10,080
here that have flooded in and let's get

3726
02:38:15,349 --> 02:38:12,479
to uh the first one hi you're live on

3727
02:38:18,309 --> 02:38:15,359
fade to black who's calling

3728
02:38:20,469 --> 02:38:18,319
hi uh jimmy this is dean and reno i next

3729
02:38:21,910 --> 02:38:20,479
time you talk to jacques

3730
02:38:24,630 --> 02:38:21,920
let him know the book that he's trying

3731
02:38:26,150 --> 02:38:24,640
to remember was colossus by d.f jones

3732
02:38:29,190 --> 02:38:26,160
the movie was colossus the foreman

3733
02:38:30,230 --> 02:38:29,200
project oh that uh you're absolutely

3734
02:38:37,190 --> 02:38:30,240
right

3735
02:38:39,429 --> 02:38:37,200
don't know if i've read the book

3736
02:38:40,790 --> 02:38:39,439
um well

3737
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:40,800
it's pretty hard to get a hold of the

3738
02:38:45,110 --> 02:38:42,720
copy these days they're they're it's out

3739
02:38:46,469 --> 02:38:45,120
of print and it's very dear so what'd

3740
02:38:49,270 --> 02:38:46,479
you think about this conversation

3741
02:38:52,309 --> 02:38:49,280
tonight pretty fascinating

3742
02:38:54,950 --> 02:38:52,319
wow it was really good

3743
02:38:57,750 --> 02:38:54,960
i noticed he did he he very gracefully

3744
02:39:00,950 --> 02:38:57,760
avoided answering the dna question

3745
02:39:04,070 --> 02:39:00,960
well you know what though um uh i i

3746
02:39:05,110 --> 02:39:04,080
think he answered it honestly and and

3747
02:39:07,429 --> 02:39:05,120
not only

3748
02:39:08,830 --> 02:39:07,439
but he continued though

3749
02:39:13,270 --> 02:39:08,840
right he didn't

3750
02:39:16,230 --> 02:39:13,280
stop uh i think i think his answer was

3751
02:39:19,030 --> 02:39:16,240
was honest uh when he said jimmy uh i'm

3752
02:39:21,670 --> 02:39:19,040
as interested in dna alien dna as you

3753
02:39:25,270 --> 02:39:21,680
are and i'm out there asking people you

3754
02:39:28,389 --> 02:39:25,280
know what about the dna and wow what

3755
02:39:30,469 --> 02:39:28,399
what an answer that was uh

3756
02:39:32,790 --> 02:39:30,479
that was really really cool and it goes

3757
02:39:34,309 --> 02:39:32,800
back to dean if you remember

3758
02:39:37,270 --> 02:39:34,319
uh i think it was about four or five

3759
02:39:40,230 --> 02:39:37,280
years ago uh when

3760
02:39:42,950 --> 02:39:40,240
uh and he just let it slip in yeah of

3761
02:39:45,670 --> 02:39:42,960
course we have uh you know uh crashed

3762
02:39:47,910 --> 02:39:45,680
craft uh and we have done that and he

3763
02:39:50,150 --> 02:39:47,920
continued talking and we got

3764
02:39:53,030 --> 02:39:50,160
into other subjects and things and i

3765
02:39:55,270 --> 02:39:53,040
never went back and said wait a minute

3766
02:39:56,710 --> 02:39:55,280
did you just say

3767
02:39:59,270 --> 02:39:56,720
you know what what are you talking about

3768
02:40:01,750 --> 02:39:59,280
there and i didn't do that well tonight

3769
02:40:04,790 --> 02:40:01,760
he he brought up dna like three or four

3770
02:40:07,750 --> 02:40:04,800
times and i wasn't going to let this one

3771
02:40:09,830 --> 02:40:07,760
get away from me not not this time and

3772
02:40:11,670 --> 02:40:09,840
let me let me speak for all this the the

3773
02:40:13,349 --> 02:40:11,680
theater knots we appreciate you not

3774
02:40:17,429 --> 02:40:13,359
letting that one get away

3775
02:40:20,230 --> 02:40:17,439
it was uh it was so much to unpack i say

3776
02:40:21,910 --> 02:40:20,240
that after every interview you know

3777
02:40:23,750 --> 02:40:21,920
there's so much there

3778
02:40:25,190 --> 02:40:23,760
but but tonight

3779
02:40:28,309 --> 02:40:25,200
whoa

3780
02:40:29,349 --> 02:40:28,319
man man man there was a lot of stuff

3781
02:40:30,309 --> 02:40:29,359
there

3782
02:40:31,190 --> 02:40:30,319
and

3783
02:40:33,510 --> 02:40:31,200
uh

3784
02:40:35,830 --> 02:40:33,520
the book trinity which i have

3785
02:40:36,630 --> 02:40:35,840
is uh is a really good read but he is

3786
02:40:38,790 --> 02:40:36,640
right

3787
02:40:42,230 --> 02:40:38,800
about trinity uh

3788
02:40:45,429 --> 02:40:42,240
the way that the analysis was done on

3789
02:40:47,269 --> 02:40:45,439
the timeline and the day-to-day aspect

3790
02:40:49,830 --> 02:40:47,279
and and what was done

3791
02:40:52,710 --> 02:40:49,840
uh not only with the military vehicles

3792
02:40:55,269 --> 02:40:52,720
and the thing but uh that kind of

3793
02:40:57,429 --> 02:40:55,279
research that he brought to the table

3794
02:40:58,389 --> 02:40:57,439
because you have paula and her approach

3795
02:41:01,190 --> 02:40:58,399
to it

3796
02:41:04,950 --> 02:41:01,200
and and how she is going to investigate

3797
02:41:07,429 --> 02:41:04,960
this and then you have jacques who is

3798
02:41:09,750 --> 02:41:07,439
absolutely black and white

3799
02:41:12,070 --> 02:41:09,760
right and that's who you need that's why

3800
02:41:15,269 --> 02:41:12,080
the book is so good because you have

3801
02:41:17,510 --> 02:41:15,279
the best of both worlds there but uh

3802
02:41:20,550 --> 02:41:17,520
jacques approach too i must get it yeah

3803
02:41:23,510 --> 02:41:20,560
yeah yeah it's it's a great read and

3804
02:41:26,469 --> 02:41:23,520
jacques approach to all of this has been

3805
02:41:27,910 --> 02:41:26,479
uh with the scientific mindset and he's

3806
02:41:31,590 --> 02:41:27,920
right that's the one thing that is

3807
02:41:33,830 --> 02:41:31,600
missing uh today is is that i meant to

3808
02:41:36,309 --> 02:41:33,840
ask him about avi loeb

3809
02:41:38,070 --> 02:41:36,319
um he said uh

3810
02:41:39,590 --> 02:41:38,080
another uh

3811
02:41:40,870 --> 02:41:39,600
point that he made

3812
02:41:43,349 --> 02:41:40,880
that today

3813
02:41:45,349 --> 02:41:43,359
and this has never been like this before

3814
02:41:49,110 --> 02:41:45,359
if you're a professor

3815
02:41:51,590 --> 02:41:49,120
if you're doing research at a university

3816
02:41:52,469 --> 02:41:51,600
you can you can talk about this subject

3817
02:41:55,110 --> 02:41:52,479
now

3818
02:41:57,030 --> 02:41:55,120
you can it's never been like this before

3819
02:41:59,670 --> 02:41:57,040
you brought up ufos

3820
02:42:01,510 --> 02:41:59,680
you bring up aliens you bring up these

3821
02:42:04,950 --> 02:42:01,520
words in

3822
02:42:07,349 --> 02:42:04,960
in in in college in university

3823
02:42:09,830 --> 02:42:07,359
that's a that was a bad that's a bad

3824
02:42:12,630 --> 02:42:09,840
career path choice

3825
02:42:15,990 --> 02:42:12,640
you just never did it now now today you

3826
02:42:18,630 --> 02:42:16,000
can and he's absolutely right so now

3827
02:42:21,750 --> 02:42:18,640
for the first time we have the ability

3828
02:42:22,790 --> 02:42:21,760
to pool all of these minds and get

3829
02:42:25,910 --> 02:42:22,800
together

3830
02:42:28,550 --> 02:42:25,920
and start to look at this data because

3831
02:42:32,630 --> 02:42:28,560
this database dean that he's talking

3832
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:32,640
about 200 000 cases 200 000 cases yeah

3833
02:42:37,269 --> 02:42:34,800
applying ai to it

3834
02:42:39,429 --> 02:42:37,279
and trying to extrapolate the

3835
02:42:40,469 --> 02:42:39,439
information and come to conclusions is

3836
02:42:42,630 --> 02:42:40,479
one thing

3837
02:42:44,710 --> 02:42:42,640
and it's another thing to have a bunch

3838
02:42:47,670 --> 02:42:44,720
of scientific minds

3839
02:42:49,190 --> 02:42:47,680
apply themselves to this because people

3840
02:42:50,389 --> 02:42:49,200
think differently

3841
02:42:52,230 --> 02:42:50,399
right and they have different

3842
02:42:55,110 --> 02:42:52,240
methodologies and

3843
02:42:57,190 --> 02:42:55,120
and ways to study and research and they

3844
02:42:59,429 --> 02:42:57,200
have their own questions well we have

3845
02:43:01,269 --> 02:42:59,439
the ability to do that now for the first

3846
02:43:02,469 --> 02:43:01,279
time

3847
02:43:04,389 --> 02:43:02,479
and it's as if we're trying to

3848
02:43:06,469 --> 02:43:04,399
understand cars by looking at cars that

3849
02:43:08,870 --> 02:43:06,479
are manufactured in france where they do

3850
02:43:11,750 --> 02:43:08,880
things really weird and manufactured in

3851
02:43:14,150 --> 02:43:11,760
detroit and manufactured in russia and

3852
02:43:16,309 --> 02:43:14,160
germany and

3853
02:43:18,150 --> 02:43:16,319
china and you know their everybody's got

3854
02:43:20,230 --> 02:43:18,160
their own take on how to do things and

3855
02:43:22,230 --> 02:43:20,240
trying to extract that from pieces of

3856
02:43:23,910 --> 02:43:22,240
wreckage from the collisions on the

3857
02:43:25,910 --> 02:43:23,920
autobahn and freeway

3858
02:43:28,070 --> 02:43:25,920
it could be challenging yeah yeah but

3859
02:43:30,389 --> 02:43:28,080
it's worth doing yep yep it is worth

3860
02:43:32,230 --> 02:43:30,399
doing and we are doing it now dean thank

3861
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:32,240
you so much man and enjoy the rest of

3862
02:43:36,309 --> 02:43:34,080
your night we'll see you tomorrow with

3863
02:43:37,110 --> 02:43:36,319
linda moulton howe have a great night

3864
02:43:39,269 --> 02:43:37,120
yep

3865
02:43:41,990 --> 02:43:39,279
you too and let me do you one better

3866
02:43:46,469 --> 02:43:44,230
k3 black

3867
02:43:48,630 --> 02:43:46,479
fate three black have a good night dean

3868
02:43:50,469 --> 02:43:48,640
thank you so much my friend it's a great

3869
02:43:53,670 --> 02:43:50,479
phone call right there

3870
02:43:57,750 --> 02:43:55,349
oh man i got

3871
02:43:59,269 --> 02:43:57,760
i have to uh

3872
02:44:01,349 --> 02:43:59,279
i'm gonna take a quick break and then

3873
02:44:03,590 --> 02:44:01,359
i'll get uh to the rest of the phone

3874
02:44:07,590 --> 02:44:03,600
calls i gotta get these in i skip past

3875
02:44:09,990 --> 02:44:07,600
commercials i did that for jacques but

3876
02:44:12,309 --> 02:44:10,000
i also have to pay the bills this is

3877
02:44:13,910 --> 02:44:12,319
fade to black i'm yours jimmy church got

3878
02:44:16,950 --> 02:44:13,920
lots of phone calls here i'll try to get

3879
02:44:18,469 --> 02:44:16,960
everybody in stay right there be patient

3880
02:44:20,070 --> 02:44:18,479
this is fade to black

3881
02:44:21,429 --> 02:44:20,080
we'll be right back after this short

3882
02:44:26,300 --> 02:44:21,439
break your phone calls are next stay

3883
02:44:45,429 --> 02:44:44,389
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3884
02:44:47,510 --> 02:44:45,439
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3885
02:44:49,830 --> 02:44:47,520
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to my boy jimmy church on

3887
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3888
02:45:04,870 --> 02:45:00,800
reading a book will not make you smarter

3889
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02:48:15,110 --> 02:48:13,269
welcome back fade to black i am your

3947
02:48:17,190 --> 02:48:15,120
host jimmy church

3948
02:48:20,150 --> 02:48:17,200
jumped over to the youtube chat for a

3949
02:48:22,389 --> 02:48:20,160
second and uh

3950
02:48:25,269 --> 02:48:22,399
skinny bob is the conversation over

3951
02:48:28,230 --> 02:48:25,279
there skinny bob to this day

3952
02:48:31,030 --> 02:48:28,240
let me i i don't talk much about skinny

3953
02:48:33,750 --> 02:48:31,040
bob because skinny bob freaks me out

3954
02:48:36,230 --> 02:48:33,760
that video i don't even know

3955
02:48:38,469 --> 02:48:36,240
uh when it first surfaced but it seems

3956
02:48:40,150 --> 02:48:38,479
like i've been watching that video since

3957
02:48:43,190 --> 02:48:40,160
youtube

3958
02:48:49,349 --> 02:48:47,910
which indicates that that's an old video

3959
02:48:53,030 --> 02:48:49,359
and

3960
02:48:55,110 --> 02:48:53,040
you know that's before the days of uh cg

3961
02:48:56,550 --> 02:48:55,120
and and and things like that

3962
02:48:59,269 --> 02:48:56,560
um

3963
02:49:01,990 --> 02:48:59,279
that it freaks me out i there's

3964
02:49:04,870 --> 02:49:02,000
something about skinny bob

3965
02:49:07,750 --> 02:49:04,880
that feels real to me

3966
02:49:09,990 --> 02:49:07,760
and and i know i know i know i know what

3967
02:49:12,389 --> 02:49:10,000
people are think come on church man

3968
02:49:14,469 --> 02:49:12,399
you're better than that i'm telling you

3969
02:49:15,990 --> 02:49:14,479
skinny bob freaks me out

3970
02:49:18,389 --> 02:49:16,000
skinny bob

3971
02:49:22,550 --> 02:49:18,399
feels authentic

3972
02:49:24,309 --> 02:49:22,560
yeah yeah has anybody ever debunked that

3973
02:49:27,190 --> 02:49:24,319
video

3974
02:49:28,309 --> 02:49:27,200
has anybody ever come forward i made it

3975
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:28,319
uh

3976
02:49:34,150 --> 02:49:29,279
no

3977
02:49:35,429 --> 02:49:34,160
all right let's go back to the phones hi

3978
02:49:37,269 --> 02:49:35,439
you're live i'm fade to block who's

3979
02:49:39,269 --> 02:49:37,279
calling

3980
02:49:43,030 --> 02:49:39,279
hi jimmy this is mark come from salt

3981
02:49:45,750 --> 02:49:43,040
lake hey mark from salt lake how are you

3982
02:49:48,550 --> 02:49:45,760
i'm i'm doing good how you doing i'm

3983
02:49:51,030 --> 02:49:48,560
doing pretty good after that

3984
02:49:52,630 --> 02:49:51,040
after two hours with jacques valet

3985
02:49:55,990 --> 02:49:52,640
letting loose

3986
02:49:58,070 --> 02:49:56,000
whew man yes yes that was an excellent

3987
02:49:59,670 --> 02:49:58,080
excellent show tonight uh what'd you

3988
02:50:02,790 --> 02:49:59,680
think

3989
02:50:06,469 --> 02:50:02,800
oh i loved it uh

3990
02:50:09,269 --> 02:50:06,479
you know i'm convinced he is an e.t

3991
02:50:12,309 --> 02:50:09,279
you know uh i had to joke with him a

3992
02:50:15,510 --> 02:50:12,319
little bit about that tonight um

3993
02:50:18,150 --> 02:50:15,520
but uh that jeffrey mishlov video that

3994
02:50:21,269 --> 02:50:18,160
we were talking about uh from

3995
02:50:25,190 --> 02:50:21,279
1985 1986 it's it's been around for a

3996
02:50:27,670 --> 02:50:25,200
long time and you go back watch just go

3997
02:50:30,309 --> 02:50:27,680
and watch that interview with a jeffrey

3998
02:50:33,590 --> 02:50:30,319
mishlov because what they did back then

3999
02:50:36,790 --> 02:50:33,600
it's a young jock right it's 35 years

4000
02:50:39,830 --> 02:50:36,800
ago now 36. it's a young jacques it's

4001
02:50:42,550 --> 02:50:39,840
got it's got a great head of hair but

4002
02:50:45,110 --> 02:50:42,560
the camera guy

4003
02:50:48,150 --> 02:50:45,120
did these excellent close-ups

4004
02:50:49,990 --> 02:50:48,160
of of jacques as he's answering

4005
02:50:52,550 --> 02:50:50,000
questions going through this interview

4006
02:50:54,389 --> 02:50:52,560
but look at jock's eyes

4007
02:50:56,309 --> 02:50:54,399
and i've i've i've referenced this so

4008
02:50:59,990 --> 02:50:56,319
many times over the years look at that

4009
02:51:03,990 --> 02:51:01,750
i'm just saying go and look at that

4010
02:51:07,670 --> 02:51:04,000
jeffrey mishlav video somebody pop up

4011
02:51:09,510 --> 02:51:07,680
the links to it so i can uh do a retweet

4012
02:51:11,510 --> 02:51:09,520
jeffrey mitchell he's a very intelligent

4013
02:51:12,630 --> 02:51:11,520
guy okay so what sticks out for you

4014
02:51:16,790 --> 02:51:12,640
tonight

4015
02:51:18,870 --> 02:51:16,800
so what sticks out to me is i'm i'm 57

4016
02:51:21,510 --> 02:51:18,880
just a little younger than you

4017
02:51:25,910 --> 02:51:21,520
and you remember back in the day

4018
02:51:30,630 --> 02:51:28,309
i used to put tax under my shoes and run

4019
02:51:31,910 --> 02:51:30,640
real fast to make that noise you know

4020
02:51:33,110 --> 02:51:31,920
and

4021
02:51:34,950 --> 02:51:33,120
anyway

4022
02:51:36,150 --> 02:51:34,960
so i thought of that and then i thought

4023
02:51:37,349 --> 02:51:36,160
about

4024
02:51:40,230 --> 02:51:37,359
you remember

4025
02:51:41,910 --> 02:51:40,240
westworld in future world

4026
02:51:42,790 --> 02:51:41,920
love them

4027
02:51:45,349 --> 02:51:42,800
okay

4028
02:51:48,710 --> 02:51:45,359
i just bench watched the new version of

4029
02:51:52,150 --> 02:51:48,720
westworld and it blew my mind

4030
02:51:54,150 --> 02:51:52,160
it it i i didn't watch the last season

4031
02:51:56,070 --> 02:51:54,160
but i watched the uh

4032
02:51:58,389 --> 02:51:56,080
first two

4033
02:52:00,550 --> 02:51:58,399
three seasons right

4034
02:52:02,070 --> 02:52:00,560
right right i think there's another one

4035
02:52:04,389 --> 02:52:02,080
coming yeah i think there's another one

4036
02:52:08,070 --> 02:52:04,399
coming the first two

4037
02:52:09,590 --> 02:52:08,080
i started to get really uncomfortable it

4038
02:52:12,830 --> 02:52:09,600
was too good

4039
02:52:16,790 --> 02:52:12,840
and um at the end of season

4040
02:52:18,309 --> 02:52:16,800
two um what's her name uh the lead

4041
02:52:21,030 --> 02:52:18,319
actress i can't think of her name right

4042
02:52:23,349 --> 02:52:21,040
now um she gets on the escalator and

4043
02:52:24,550 --> 02:52:23,359
goes out to the real world

4044
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:24,560
and

4045
02:52:29,190 --> 02:52:27,600
yeah i so i didn't see uh season three i

4046
02:52:31,590 --> 02:52:29,200
didn't i did i didn't check it out but

4047
02:52:33,670 --> 02:52:31,600
what's your point with that

4048
02:52:36,790 --> 02:52:33,680
well my point is the autonomous part of

4049
02:52:38,389 --> 02:52:36,800
it that they were learning

4050
02:52:40,630 --> 02:52:38,399
and um

4051
02:52:45,110 --> 02:52:40,640
you know then i got thinking well what

4052
02:52:47,190 --> 02:52:45,120
if e.t we are their biological

4053
02:52:48,950 --> 02:52:47,200
their biological ai

4054
02:52:50,870 --> 02:52:48,960
sure i mean

4055
02:52:54,630 --> 02:52:50,880
that just blew my mind just thinking of

4056
02:52:55,750 --> 02:52:54,640
that well but here's the deal uh

4057
02:52:58,309 --> 02:52:55,760
with that

4058
02:53:02,710 --> 02:52:58,319
mark and and it's this

4059
02:53:04,870 --> 02:53:02,720
it has to be that way that is the future

4060
02:53:08,830 --> 02:53:04,880
it just has to be that way

4061
02:53:12,550 --> 02:53:08,840
and the only answer for us to go to the

4062
02:53:13,990 --> 02:53:12,560
stars right the only answer unless we

4063
02:53:17,030 --> 02:53:14,000
figure out

4064
02:53:19,670 --> 02:53:17,040
a way to jump into a wormhole and

4065
02:53:21,910 --> 02:53:19,680
and and take away the vast distances and

4066
02:53:23,590 --> 02:53:21,920
time of of space

4067
02:53:26,630 --> 02:53:23,600
but the only

4068
02:53:29,429 --> 02:53:26,640
answer to it in in real terms

4069
02:53:34,309 --> 02:53:29,439
is your consciousness mark has to get

4070
02:53:39,910 --> 02:53:36,630
right that's it that's it

4071
02:53:42,870 --> 02:53:39,920
that your your meat sack

4072
02:53:45,269 --> 02:53:42,880
is it's got a time stamp on it that's it

4073
02:53:47,269 --> 02:53:45,279
that's it there's no no way around that

4074
02:53:50,389 --> 02:53:47,279
oh well you know you can go to sleep

4075
02:53:52,550 --> 02:53:50,399
yeah go to sleep for a million years

4076
02:53:55,590 --> 02:53:52,560
but the answer

4077
02:53:57,830 --> 02:53:55,600
is getting your mind

4078
02:54:01,030 --> 02:53:57,840
into an android

4079
02:54:03,910 --> 02:54:01,040
and then that's it we can we can go

4080
02:54:06,710 --> 02:54:03,920
for 10 000 years in one direction and

4081
02:54:09,670 --> 02:54:06,720
and head to the next star system

4082
02:54:11,110 --> 02:54:09,680
and and that right there and just

4083
02:54:13,190 --> 02:54:11,120
imagine

4084
02:54:15,269 --> 02:54:13,200
uh how smart

4085
02:54:18,950 --> 02:54:15,279
you would be if you could live for an

4086
02:54:20,630 --> 02:54:18,960
extra 100 years live to the age of 200

4087
02:54:22,389 --> 02:54:20,640
mark and you're going to school and

4088
02:54:25,429 --> 02:54:22,399
you're learning and you're listening to

4089
02:54:27,030 --> 02:54:25,439
fade to black every night right

4090
02:54:30,469 --> 02:54:27,040
for an extra 100 years

4091
02:54:31,429 --> 02:54:30,479
well um but imagine how smart you would

4092
02:54:36,309 --> 02:54:31,439
be

4093
02:54:37,349 --> 02:54:36,319
after 10 000 years wow we get right

4094
02:54:39,910 --> 02:54:37,359
so

4095
02:54:42,870 --> 02:54:39,920
that's that's that's the future that i

4096
02:54:44,950 --> 02:54:42,880
mean it has to be that way and and

4097
02:54:47,190 --> 02:54:44,960
jacques actually brought that up tonight

4098
02:54:49,349 --> 02:54:47,200
i said ai is one thing

4099
02:54:51,190 --> 02:54:49,359
um and the complications with it why

4100
02:54:54,389 --> 02:54:51,200
don't we just uh you know upload our

4101
02:54:57,269 --> 02:54:54,399
consciousness onto a chip that solves

4102
02:54:58,150 --> 02:54:57,279
well if if we thought of this 50 years

4103
02:55:00,469 --> 02:54:58,160
ago

4104
02:55:01,590 --> 02:55:00,479
why can it not happen that's it

4105
02:55:05,269 --> 02:55:01,600
you know what

4106
02:55:08,790 --> 02:55:06,630
enjoy your night man we'll see you

4107
02:55:11,030 --> 02:55:08,800
tomorrow with linda

4108
02:55:12,790 --> 02:55:11,040
okay thanks jimmy thanks for taking my

4109
02:55:14,469 --> 02:55:12,800
call have a great night that's a great

4110
02:55:16,870 --> 02:55:14,479
phone call right there

4111
02:55:20,710 --> 02:55:16,880
i didn't uh

4112
02:55:23,670 --> 02:55:20,720
i didn't watch uh episode three or uh

4113
02:55:26,630 --> 02:55:23,680
season three of of westworld i was

4114
02:55:28,150 --> 02:55:26,640
getting way uncomfortable man with the

4115
02:55:30,309 --> 02:55:28,160
first two

4116
02:55:31,750 --> 02:55:30,319
oh man okay let's uh stay on the phones

4117
02:55:34,790 --> 02:55:31,760
hi you're live on fade to black who's

4118
02:55:41,030 --> 02:55:37,510
you're live

4119
02:55:43,110 --> 02:55:41,040
how you doing i'm doing good who's this

4120
02:55:46,389 --> 02:55:43,120
this is vader lord

4121
02:55:47,670 --> 02:55:46,399
this is vader how are you man yeah

4122
02:55:50,230 --> 02:55:47,680
pretty good

4123
02:55:52,469 --> 02:55:50,240
i sent you a text about the art picture

4124
02:55:54,309 --> 02:55:52,479
yeah i got i got the i

4125
02:55:56,870 --> 02:55:54,319
yeah i got the picture it's a painting

4126
02:55:59,510 --> 02:55:56,880
in a gold frame

4127
02:56:01,990 --> 02:55:59,520
yes yes i've got it man pretty cool

4128
02:56:03,910 --> 02:56:02,000
pretty tasty yeah it took yeah it took

4129
02:56:06,309 --> 02:56:03,920
me a long time to do that

4130
02:56:09,429 --> 02:56:06,319
it was it was when we were in lockdown

4131
02:56:11,429 --> 02:56:09,439
if i just stayed inside and did it for

4132
02:56:13,590 --> 02:56:11,439
i don't know how long yeah it's a very

4133
02:56:15,510 --> 02:56:13,600
impressive piece of art how big is that

4134
02:56:17,670 --> 02:56:15,520
it looks like it's about three feet four

4135
02:56:18,790 --> 02:56:17,680
feet wide yeah

4136
02:56:21,590 --> 02:56:18,800
yes

4137
02:56:23,110 --> 02:56:21,600
and it's like four feet

4138
02:56:25,750 --> 02:56:23,120
wide and about

4139
02:56:27,830 --> 02:56:25,760
foot put the two foot across yeah yeah

4140
02:56:30,389 --> 02:56:27,840
that's what it looks like or down and it

4141
02:56:31,510 --> 02:56:30,399
looks thick

4142
02:56:33,429 --> 02:56:31,520
yeah

4143
02:56:36,070 --> 02:56:33,439
it looks thick man

4144
02:56:38,230 --> 02:56:36,080
oh it's it's it's very cool take another

4145
02:56:39,990 --> 02:56:38,240
picture of it straight on

4146
02:56:41,910 --> 02:56:40,000
um

4147
02:56:44,630 --> 02:56:41,920
i'll let everybody know the image that

4148
02:56:47,030 --> 02:56:44,640
he sent to me tried to squeeze it all in

4149
02:56:49,830 --> 02:56:47,040
so it's a little bit from the side

4150
02:56:51,990 --> 02:56:49,840
yeah yeah yeah yeah i get it i get it

4151
02:56:54,150 --> 02:56:52,000
hey vader enjoy your night i've got to

4152
02:56:55,910 --> 02:56:54,160
get to credits but it's a great painting

4153
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:55,920
man and thank you for sending that all

4154
02:56:59,670 --> 02:56:57,680
right thank you

4155
02:57:01,910 --> 02:56:59,680
have a great night

4156
02:57:05,990 --> 02:57:01,920
you too

4157
02:57:08,870 --> 02:57:06,000
bye and uh once he uh sends me

4158
02:57:11,349 --> 02:57:08,880
uh a better image uh

4159
02:57:13,670 --> 02:57:11,359
if it's cool with him i'll i'll post it

4160
02:57:15,349 --> 02:57:13,680
it's it's it's excellent

4161
02:57:17,590 --> 02:57:15,359
it's excellent

4162
02:57:20,950 --> 02:57:17,600
but it's from an angle so it's coming

4163
02:57:23,190 --> 02:57:20,960
from the side i want the full on

4164
02:57:25,269 --> 02:57:23,200
front image i know he's listening to me

4165
02:57:27,429 --> 02:57:25,279
right now i want the full on

4166
02:57:29,110 --> 02:57:27,439
front image all right with that i know

4167
02:57:31,590 --> 02:57:29,120
i've got calls on hold i can't get to

4168
02:57:33,429 --> 02:57:31,600
everybody i've got to get the credits i

4169
02:57:37,429 --> 02:57:33,439
do want to thank

4170
02:57:39,269 --> 02:57:37,439
uh jacques valet tonight and and again

4171
02:57:40,710 --> 02:57:39,279
uh jacques there's going to be some

4172
02:57:42,150 --> 02:57:40,720
people reaching out to you right now

4173
02:57:44,070 --> 02:57:42,160
that are going to repeat these comments

4174
02:57:45,030 --> 02:57:44,080
that i just made or that i'm about to

4175
02:57:49,030 --> 02:57:45,040
make

4176
02:57:50,630 --> 02:57:49,040
um i know it's supposed to be an hour

4177
02:57:54,469 --> 02:57:50,640
it was two

4178
02:57:58,070 --> 02:57:54,479
and there was no way i was going to stop

4179
02:57:59,590 --> 02:57:58,080
jacques valet for getting his mind

4180
02:58:01,030 --> 02:57:59,600
out to

4181
02:58:03,670 --> 02:58:01,040
this audience

4182
02:58:05,750 --> 02:58:03,680
that was absolutely incredible and so

4183
02:58:07,670 --> 02:58:05,760
thank you so much i hope he doesn't give

4184
02:58:09,590 --> 02:58:07,680
me grief later

4185
02:58:11,910 --> 02:58:09,600
and when i blew through that commercial

4186
02:58:13,110 --> 02:58:11,920
break and i was thinking about this i

4187
02:58:15,590 --> 02:58:13,120
thought you know what i'm not going to

4188
02:58:18,790 --> 02:58:15,600
do it i'm not going to do it i'm just

4189
02:58:20,630 --> 02:58:18,800
going to let this thing run and that's

4190
02:58:23,030 --> 02:58:20,640
what i did tonight so thank you so much

4191
02:58:24,710 --> 02:58:23,040
jacques and i hope i don't get the phone

4192
02:58:25,990 --> 02:58:24,720
call tomorrow

4193
02:58:26,950 --> 02:58:26,000
oh

4194
02:58:29,110 --> 02:58:26,960
man

4195
02:58:31,990 --> 02:58:29,120
but uh there you go tomorrow night right

4196
02:58:34,389 --> 02:58:32,000
here on fade to black is linda molten

4197
02:58:36,230 --> 02:58:34,399
how bob salas yesterday

4198
02:58:39,429 --> 02:58:36,240
uh did his press conference at the

4199
02:58:42,469 --> 02:58:39,439
national press club out of washington dc

4200
02:58:44,070 --> 02:58:42,479
i have not i missed it yesterday oh i

4201
02:58:47,030 --> 02:58:44,080
want to say this

4202
02:58:48,870 --> 02:58:47,040
um i missed it yesterday because

4203
02:58:50,710 --> 02:58:48,880
uh yesterday morning i was taking a

4204
02:58:52,630 --> 02:58:50,720
bunch of phone calls

4205
02:58:53,590 --> 02:58:52,640
i have a t

4206
02:58:56,469 --> 02:58:53,600
and

4207
02:58:59,030 --> 02:58:56,479
uh the phone calls started

4208
02:59:02,309 --> 02:58:59,040
to drop well they've been dropping

4209
02:59:05,110 --> 02:59:02,319
since uh i moved into this uh new home

4210
02:59:08,070 --> 02:59:05,120
and i've got issues with that and so

4211
02:59:09,830 --> 02:59:08,080
yesterday i was like that's it i'm done

4212
02:59:15,990 --> 02:59:09,840
and i

4213
02:59:18,309 --> 02:59:16,000
about three hours yesterday to suss out

4214
02:59:22,950 --> 02:59:18,319
everything with verizon get everything

4215
02:59:25,190 --> 02:59:22,960
done i have a new iphone 13 uh pro max

4216
02:59:26,469 --> 02:59:25,200
that is arriving tomorrow and i've got

4217
02:59:27,590 --> 02:59:26,479
to get all of that worked out well

4218
02:59:29,830 --> 02:59:27,600
anyway

4219
02:59:31,830 --> 02:59:29,840
that was during

4220
02:59:35,830 --> 02:59:31,840
the press conference

4221
02:59:39,990 --> 02:59:35,840
and uh i got to the end i went oh man i

4222
02:59:42,150 --> 02:59:40,000
missed bob salas so i am going to go and

4223
02:59:44,550 --> 02:59:42,160
watch it tomorrow linda moulton howe

4224
02:59:47,030 --> 02:59:44,560
will be on with us tomorrow night

4225
02:59:50,550 --> 02:59:47,040
and we will be discussing ufos and

4226
02:59:53,830 --> 02:59:50,560
nuclear weapons and i promise i will

4227
02:59:55,349 --> 02:59:53,840
review everything so i am up to speed

4228
02:59:57,590 --> 02:59:55,359
with everything that went down at the

4229
03:00:01,110 --> 02:59:57,600
press club yesterday also

4230
03:00:03,910 --> 03:00:01,120
this did arrive today here it is skin

4231
03:00:06,469 --> 03:00:03,920
walkers at the pentagon not a very thick

4232
03:00:09,830 --> 03:00:06,479
book i was expecting a bit more

4233
03:00:11,910 --> 03:00:09,840
uh by james lakatsky and colm kelleher

4234
03:00:13,910 --> 03:00:11,920
and of course george knapp and i am

4235
03:00:16,070 --> 03:00:13,920
going to start reading this tonight and

4236
03:00:19,269 --> 03:00:16,080
i'll see what all the uh

4237
03:00:20,950 --> 03:00:19,279
soap opera drama is all about with that

4238
03:00:22,469 --> 03:00:20,960
i am going to get out of here i'll see

4239
03:00:25,590 --> 03:00:22,479
everybody tomorrow night with linda

4240
03:00:27,429 --> 03:00:25,600
moulton howe i am your host jimmy church

4241
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what a great night tonight again i want

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to thank one more time jacques valet

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fade to black is produced by hill j palm

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renee dennis and kevin announcers are

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steve harder gene vito and mark d kovar

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webmasters drew the geek

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music doug aldridge intro spaceboy

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spaceboymusic.com

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fade to black is produced by kjcr for

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the game changer network

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i'm gonna say it right now man

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syndication an x

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network

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premiering october 31st

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wow

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in 11 days

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this broadcast owned copyrighted 2021 by

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fade to black and the game changer

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network inc it cannot be re-broadcast

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downloaded copied or used anywhere in

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the known universe without written

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permission from fade to black or the

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game changer network i'm your host jimmy

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church tomorrow night linda moulton howe

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until then i want everybody to be safe

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it's time to fade to black

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[Music]

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so

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[Music]

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so